Here is what liberals, socialist, and communist need to understand

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  1. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are not entitled to what I have earned.
     
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    But the God of the Liberals says "You didn't do that by yourself"

    (shrug)
     
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    Ironically, they have the guns, or at least their lackeys in the government have the guns, and so they absolutely are entitled to what you've earned.
     
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    Because I like to play devil's advocate (don't get more wrong, I despise socialism/communism)...are you entitled to the earnings of your father?

    This is really the issue with capitalism at the end of the day. Family wealth implies that, while someone may have had to work hard to earn something, the next generation doesn't have to, but they are still wealthy. If it truly was what you have earned, of course no one should be entitled to that. But if your great grand dad was a billionaire, what gives you the right to inherit that? And furthermore, that means that people born into poverty have even less of a chance at earning things.

    Again, I'm not advocating in favor of socialism or communism, I'm just saying that, while you may be entitled to your earnings, how much of those earnings were actually yours?
     
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    If he wills them to me yes. But not if he wills them to somebody else. That's #freedom.
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    God family and country. Yes if a father passes it belongs to his children, NOT the government.
     
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    You are perfectly allowed to leave. Staying requires you to adhere to the laws and responsibilities of our society. THIS is the problem with our society. Folk NO LONGER feel a part of our society. The higher up the food chain, the more ENTITLED to feeling of MINE, all mine.
     
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    Questerr Banned

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    Yet the child did nothing to "earn" that wealth, yes?
     
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    Well even you're not really entitled to what you earn. We only get to keep (most of) what we earn (or are lucky enough to end up with at least) because we live in a society of rules and principles, where people are expected (and indeed forced) to pay what they've promised for goods or services and people are actively prevented from just taking what you have simple due to them being stronger, quicker or more numerous than you. The same set of rules also currently include element of taxation and social welfare which you clearly object to.
     
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    My father is entitled to his own wealth, and he can give it to anyone he wants. When he does, then the recipient is entitled to what was given him.
     
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    Yet cannot be claimed to have earned what they have.
     
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    That is for the giver to decide, not anyone else. Your dad probably believed that you had earned everything he left you, and many times over, merely by being a good son, and that is solely his decision to make.
     
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    Neither can the woman with 6 chilrens paying for steaks with SNAPS cards who happens to be driving an Escalade. I guess life isn't fair.
     
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    So you can earn money even though you don't work for it?

    So the Right can't bitch that people on welfare didn't earn the money they have.
     
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    So long as the standard is applied equally, I say fine.
     
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    I'd rather see it go to the family even if all they're going to do is piss it away on booze, dope and high priced hooker then see the gubmint get it and piss it away on booze dope and high priced hookers!

    And you know that's true!
     
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    scREW meritocracy, long live the trust fund elite. Forget the AMERICAN DREAM, now our children must hope for prurient interest in their REALITY SHOW.
     
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    Who said I didn't work for it? The joy and comfort I brought to my father in his final years, was work, and had far greater value to him than his estate was worth. The sacrifices I am making to support my mother in law, who is crippled, incontinent, and has alzheimers, is work... hard, dirty work. She has told me many times that her only regret is that she doesn't have more to leave us when she dies.

    Only SHE can decide what the people she PAYS are worth. If she wants to pay me $1,000,000 and a 1987 Caprice Classic to mow her lawn (I wish!), then I have EARNED the money. If my mere existence is worth $1,000,000 to her, then I have EARNED the money. You don't get to decide that, SHE does.

    Don't be obtuse. Me giving you $1,000 because I like your smile is much different than you taking $1,000 from me by force and giving it to someone else.
     
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    Hookers and blow. Merica!! :grin:

    The truth is de gubt taxes the crap out of estates, way more than it should. The government has no business taxing accumulated wealth that can't be pissed away in one generation down. But yet, they do. More bitching from the left though. It's what they do.
     
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    This just reinforces my belief that the Right's dream world is a feudal one with rich families owning all the wealth and de facto owning the non-wealthy as serfs.
     
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    There is no such thing as "owning all the wealth". My wealth, large or small, has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on your ability to accumulate your own.
     
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    Except the pie is only so large and only increases in size so fast.

    The fact that the Crowding Out Effect exists in Economics proves your are fundamentally wrong.
     
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    So you feel someone other than the family is entitled to inherit the deceased's wealth. To who and how should it be re-distributed?
     
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    Something should be said for a family that manages to keep their wealth for generations after generation and the stupidity in allowing gubmint that can't even hold on to trillions or budget a surplus for a single year. Yup, sound like the perfect place to send GENERATIONAL wealth to LMAO ;)
     
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    I feel that inherited wealth is the single most destructive thing to democracy. If the family does like it, they should leave. Build a seastead. Go Galt. Learn why an Objectivist society can't function and maybe come crying back when it all falls apart.
     
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