Trump proposes repeal first, replace later plan.

Fair enough, but single payer won't work and I fail to see how I owe the same medical coverage to a child neglecting crack whore that I already provide for my children. People have a right to screw up. I'm not for subsidizing it and health coverage is not a right. Just look at how they have screwed up the VA. That's what you want for everybody?

 

There's no point in repealing it without a replacement. Dumbest idea I've seen yet.

 

If you had read the OP article, you would know it is more nuanced than that.

"If we don't get a combined, comprehensive Obamacare repeal and replace plan by that day, I humbly suggest that you publicly call on the Congress to do two things: (1) to immediately repeal as much of Obamacare as is possible under congressional budget reconciliation rules, and then (2) to cancel the scheduled August state work period and instead to spend that month working through regular order, six days per week, writing a health reform package with a vote to be scheduled on Labor Day."

- Senator Ben Sasse

As you should know, CBO estimates are not legislative proposals, and vice versa. Furthermore, the CBO is seldom right on anything, especially pending legislation; and predicting how many will or will not be insured by year 2026 is well beyond their capabilities. What we do know to a far greater certainty is all the havoc being inflicted upon us by ObamaCare; and how you seem to be perfectly content letting that havoc continue. And I'm not talking about just the havoc to the healthcare system itself, but the havoc it is causing to the finances of our country as well. No freebie comes without a greater cost somewhere else, so until you can combine both those elements into one, you will always be speaking out-of-balance; on only one side of the equation.

 

Great! Let's only repeal so that there's no healthcare in this country. That will end well...

 

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They don't have the votes to amend it...probably don't have the votes to repeal it....but they'll bank of having the votes to replace it??

 

Did healthcare exist in this country before the ACA was passed? Assuming it did, why would it not still exist if the ACA was repealed?

 

Did you notice how you quoted Ben Sasse in my reply that specifically cited Donald Trump?

Yea, I noticed it too.

 

No. Keep the subsidies for now, reenact preexisting conditions and the last part becomes a moot point. The point is to crush this POS and then everyone will come back the table.

 

It is a good thing, and Rand Paul suggested this a long time ago. It was a terrible idea to couple the repeal to the replace in the first place...

 

If someone can sick can buy insurance for the same price and there is no mandate why wouldn't they wait until they're sick??

 

What exactly do you think preexisting conditions are?

 

Insurance companies when left to their own devices cancel your policy when you get sick.

 

I'm definitely ignoring your claim about 32 million losing their HI since millions are going to drop it on their own free will.

That being said, Republicans will just have to repeal what they can repeal through the reconciliation process, and for that they only need 50 votes and Mike Pence...

 

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Trump wanted to cover everyone. He campaigned on a mish mash of socialism and vagueness.

The cult was able to hear exactly what they wanted to hear.

 

I think his point is to leave it alone and that will prove that it will not work. Then with 0bamacare dead and out of the way, they can start over without this albatross hanging around the neck of either party. That would hurt a lot of people. I'd rather just repeal this turkey and go back to what we had. That will give congress time to study this and make an honest attempt at improving health care.

The Republicans dropped the ball by not having a valid option ready to replace what the Democrats forced on us. The Republican Senate holdouts are the only honest politicians in Washington on this matter. (except maybe some House Republicans who are against anything but a repeal first) A simple repeal vote will show who is ready to get to work for the American people. Anybody who wants to keep 0bamacare deserves to be put on it. It's failing.

 

So he is talking out of both sides of his mouth. That's a near universal trait in Washington. There may be a few exceptions, but not many. Trump seems to be working toward my ideals better than Congress. Trump wasn't my first choice, so I have no choice but to support him when I agree. You can call me a cult member all you want, but I've explained my options and why I chose them.

 

15 million will lose their health insurance because of medicaid rolling back.

And of the 7 million remaining, the largest percentage belong to the group of people who would lose health insurance due to subsidies disappearing and the insurance becoming unaffordable.

 

Meh. I was for the repeal of the ACA. I had no expectations government could get involved AGAIN and it turn out well. It never does. Trump voters for the most part just wanted to see the ACA go buh bye, health insurance has always been expensive but at least you got to actually use it when you get sick. The way it's set up now, only the derelicts get to use it with no money out of pocket. What I'd like to see is high deductible insurance that's extremely reasonable in premium cost. Because as it stands now, there's damn little protection under ACA. You can go broke before you even meet out of pocket. So we pay ridiculous premiums AND ridiculous out of pocket. At least before ACA, there was a break on one side or the other. Now all it does is give free insurance to people who don't pay squat. Eff that.

 

Yeah... you have Democrats saying no and even many Republicans antsy about the GOP's DeathCare plan to drop 23,000,000 from the insurance rolls. How does threatening to up that number by 10-20,000,000 grease the wheels in Trump's mind?

He seems on hellbent to keep proving that he is a horrible human being in addition to being an incompetent leader.

You're not playing 2D pick-up sticks anymore Dumbald Plump, you're in the big leagues now.

 

Rand Paul is kicking some ass. I agree 100% with him.

 

After decades of failed efforts (failures caused by the influence of corporate greed on the legislature), Obama got the affordable care thru. Of course, he had to compromise with the congress a lot, and let the law get watered down a lot. But now that the poor has seen the benefits of such a law, it is impossible to discard it.

No system can be made perfect to start with, they all require tweaking during initial application period. And the fact that what eventual passed was a bad patchwork, leaves a lot of room for improvement.

By now, a lot of poor are dependent on the system , and quite a few of them must be surviving day to day because of it. I hope, the self-centered Trump supporters in Washington have more sense than Trump has. All Trump wants is personal glory by scoring points. He is totally oblivious to the pain of poverty. If the Republicans ever succeed, or even come close to repealing, without replacing with a substantially good thing, political heads will roll. There might even be events of personal disgraces to the soul-less by the public.

Because of the seed Obama has sawed, this country will have a well-corrected, working healthcare for the poor in 2-3 decades.

 

I'm not against this (repealing ACA) but it's probably near impossible without a replacement lined up.

The ACA is such a hack job, it's best to just ditch it IMO. Then review the best programs world wide, and pick a winner.

 

There wasn't one.

 

If Trump wants to make his base happy, he'll repeal the ACA and let the chips fall where they may. I don't know anybody that thought he was going to fix health care, no matter what he promised. It can't be done.
Here's what Trump supporters heard when he was speaking. "First thing I'm going to do is repeal Obamacare". the rest was "blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah blah." And there you have it, the truth. Trump can't fix health care and make it free or affordable. We all know it. But this BS we have now is imploding and killing the middle class. Screw it.

 

I noticed that your post #25 was a blatant fallacy, that you had likely not even read the OP article, and I corrected you accordingly. That's what I noticed.