Supreme Court to hear case of baker's refusal to make wedding cake for gay couple

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    I'll get some info on this, I know that LLC's aren't worker cooperatives unless the person in charge wants it to be. We need government assistance to set up cooperative sector to actually compete with the private, but of course they have no interest in leveling the playing field :p
     
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    LLCs are similar to partnerships. There is no one "in charge". The members operate the business according to the articles or organization they adopt when they start the business.

    Edit: Also, a LLC is private, just as a sole proprietorship, partnership, and corporation are private.
     
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    Why is this okay, but refusing the cake isn't?
     
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    The problem is that western Progressives are so limited in their exposure to non-religious opposition, that they assume (in their ignorance) that all opposition comes from the religious.

    I suspect also, that the idea of educated atheists disapproving is quite unsettling. They just don't know what to do with that.
     
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    Wow ... you really don't get out much, do you.

    Probably three quarters of the world (as in, atheists and non-Christians) is 'against' it.
     
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    So don't buy from him. Use your ever-powerful dollar elsewhere.

    His business practices will see him sink or swim .. not your concern. Or are you hateful?
     
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    Because you're not opposed, anyone who is must have something wrong with them?
     
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    Of course he/she wouldn't. Because those are Hipster-Approved groups.
     
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    well, it looks like Jews are losing flavor with the progressive left as Jewish gays were forbidden to mark in a gay parade because they had the Star of David on the rainbow flag.

    they're eating their own.
     
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    Here in Texas we cant refuse service based upon "race, color, religion, or national origin" and disability under the ADA. Many states that haven't enacted their own public accommodation laws, have only the Federal Civil rights act that doesn't include gender or age, and the ADA to comply with as far as public accommodation goes.
     
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    Ignorant of your feelings? Ignorant of your beliefs? Ignorant of what, exactly?
     
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    How in hell can you know that? What a silly claim to make!

    And it's only 'dumb' in the business sense. If it provides any kind of positive payoff for the owner personally, then clearly it's not dumb at all.
     
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    'normal' to whom? you?
     
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    The biggest award in these public accommodation cases for gays that I am aware of is the Oregon bar that didn't want the T-girls holding their meeting at his bar, fined $400,000 and it had nothing to do with religion.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2015/09/oregon_court_of_appeals_uphold.html
     
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    yes, it is. but it's just one of the reasons people discriminate in situations like this.
     
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    of course. they're starting with the whitest and richest, and will chew their way in to the centre. soon there'll be nothing left but a tattered rainbow flag, a clump of blue hair, and a latte stained St@rbucks paycheck.
     
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    Why do they need help? or by help, do you mean the money they need to start a business?
     
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    And yet most business do discriminate. We all know this, it's not a secret.
     
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    That would be an argument for prohibiting all discrimination, NOT JUST prohibiting discrimination on the basis of race, religion, color, sex, national origin, ethnicity, marital status, familial status, domestic partnership status, age, sexual orientation, source of income, or because an individual is a person with a disability.
     
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    He probably thinks he is a sentient human being with a moral and value system formed by his religion who happens to live in a country where his religious values are protected by our Constitution.

    Now...who is the gay couple that thinks their beliefs are superior to his own and must be obeyed no matter what? That's the better question.
    If the world wasn't filled with bakeries all fighting to win over more business they might get some sympathy from me. But they obviously want to make an example of this man who dares to turn away their business for his own morals and reasons and scare off any other business owners thinking of doing the same. I'm certain it will not work.

    I'm not defending his beliefs, per se. I'm defending his freedom in this country to have his own sacredly held views.
    That the gay activists, and their many defenders, want to go to the mat over this...a crummy cake, tells me this is more about submission to an anti civil liberties Big Brother mind set than whether this man could be frightened into decorating a gay wedding cake or not.

    I've been to lots of places in San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Vancouver where it's clear straights are not welcomed nor wanted.
    Don't tell me it's never happened.
     
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    I suspect they would have equally opposed baking a cake for two heterosexuals of the same sex. Really has nothing to do with the customers sexual orientation.
     
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    Until I see the ruling I reserve the right to criticize, if necessary and warranted.
     

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