I hope a GOD exists but I am not holding my breath!

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Separation from God seems to be what you desire in this current state. I'm sure you won't argue with that. I don't believe the lower animals contemplate God, but then again, they weren't created in His image. I hope I'll see my dogs Mosby, Morgan and Champ in the next life because they bring me great joy, but then again they have not had the ability to deny God so they are not accountable.
     
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    Not at all. I'm open to knowing a god. I just don't accept any religions claimed god. Considering the OT, I don't want to know that god. As far as I know for now, I just die and am gone.
     
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    I have in the past listed out EXACTLY how Probability Calculations are done!!

    And the fact is you have no clue how they are done thus you should do some reading!! LOL!!

    And MATH has nothing to do with FAITH!!

    AA
     
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    Actually after being shot multiple times in the field.....I was wearing body armor but there was ballistic penetration.....I died.

    I was clinically dead for a short time and brought back.

    It is like sleeping without dreaming.

    AA
     
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    The thing is some people just do not have the mental ability to understand that non-existence is NOT POSSIBLE!!

    As well Quantum Mechanics shows us this is NOT the only Universe existing.

    Most people can only understand the concept of a beginning and end but in reality Time is CONCURRENT.

    Human beings with our extremely limited perception only experience Time or Space-Time as having a Past...Present and Future but as again Quantum Mechanics shows us they are all one in the same.

    Thus people get this idea that something or someone must have CREATED the Multiverse but most likely it has always existed and always will.

    AA
     
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    Where did you go to, since you think you went somewhere? You went from a self aware consciousness to nothingness? Kinda like the big bang, just in reverse? We think that this vast universe came from nothingness. Well, that was a mighty pregnant nothingness. But when some physicists struggle to explain what language cannot express, their nothingness becomes somthingness. LOL So is it something or nothing? We cannot imagine a self aware consciousness moving into nothingness. For to compare it to the sleep of a living being, isn't a valid comparison. For living things experience the state of sleep. Dead things do not sleep, only living things experience sleep. So to die is not the same as going to sleep. But something entirely different, as moving from this dimension into an unknown dimension. Since it is not known, something stored in the memory banks, no one can even imagine what it is like, for we can only imagine what we already know, or what we already experienced, and then stored in our memory.

    Just seems to me that to die is to enter into a dimension which is pregnant with potentialities. Super pregnant.
     
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    You are making the exact mistake I just talked about.

    You presume non-existence is possible.

    IT IS NOT!!!

    There has always been...."Something."

    AA
     
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    I think that the problem that you describe is that we swim in the "waters " of space-time and cannot conceive anything outside of our space-time bubble.
     
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  9. DennisTate

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    A very high percentage of people who have an out of the body experience find the whole thing shocking.

    But they sometimes come back with verifiable information that they could not know if they had not bee viewing their surrounding from above where their bodies were.
     
  10. DennisTate

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    This is EXACTLY what near death experiencer Christian Andreason reported.

    How could he have know that...... he does NOT have a background in theoretical physics.

    http://allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/
    Chapter 5......
     
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    Genesis chapter 1 introduces us to the Elohim, the seven spirits of G-d.......
    actually a near death experiencer states that there are 14 of them.... .seven male and seven female.

    Genesis 1:26


    And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

    One of the seven ELOHIM is within YOU SIR!!!!!

    I predict that by the year 2023..... you are going to see that Elohim with you.......
    much, much, much more clearly than you do so far...........
    by that time you will know that I told the truth when I stated that
    I don't personally think that anybody on this earth could do a better job of
    playing out the role of Moshiach ben Ephrayim..... than you Sir!!!

    But if you absolutely refuse to accept this role......... then I will be forced to
    try my best to fill your shoes.......... and go out and try to start information war.......
    designed to get to the root and core of what is really threatening America, Canada and
    Israel............ our own ignorance....... of the Elohim within each of us.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-in-2017-part-2.468355/page-2#post-1067882092


    .........
    The least Christian is soon supposed to have greater understanding
    and be more spiritually gifted than John the Baptist.

    At the time that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus told his disciples that that time would come,
    you can pretty much rest assured that the twelve would have terrible trouble seeing themselves
    as ever being more gifted than John the Baptist.

    Matthew 11:11

    "Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he."


    The feeble residents of Jerusalem are soon to become like King David, and the David who will be
    raised up for them, (and the year 2030 is extremely important in that process, so was 1996), will
    be so gifted that the Prophet Zechariah when he was shown how gifted he would be compared the
    raised up King David type to "the angel of the L-rd.")


    Zechariah 12:8

    "In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them."

    There is hidden meaning in this verse....... sometimes G-d has to make somebody feeble.....
    to raise up King David within them...... For example young Natan who was only fifteen years old
    back in 2015 is more like King David than anybody in Israel that I know of at this time.... but he
    had a near death experience in order to be raised up to what could be termed Davidic level Consciousness.

    King David was like Elijah..... and just as Elijah mentored his student Elisha to have a double portion
    of the Holy Spirit so also....... Natan..... will be instrumental in mentoring Israelis to be at a level that they
    will NOT most fear Christians..... .and fear Americans...... but instead they will see within at least some Christians
    potential Moshiach ben Ephrayim's much as I have found a perfect candidate for that role:
     
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    Sorry but no they don't. There is no, repeat no verifiable evidence to support the claim that consciouseness leaves the body.
     
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    SIR... I JUST SENT YOU A PERSONAL MESSAGE THAT I WILL NOW QUOTE RIGHT HERE........

    Oh.... AboveAlpha.... if we can convice Mr. Morgan Freeman to join in our proposed film production....... who
    do you think he might choose to mop the floor along with.... me..... or Sandra and her 450?


    ...

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ecided-to-leave-canadas-liberal-party.437324/

    SANDRA Johnston Ph. D. has a massive Queen Hadassah / Esther calling on her life......
    but she is in something of a Zechariah chapter 3 state at this time...........

    Please notice minutes 32 - 35 in this video........




    AboveAlpha..... Sandra's prophecy to you Sir.... .was inspired... was accurate.... and will
    come to pass.............
    when it does... you will know that an off the scale intelligence is involved in human affairs.
     
  14. DennisTate

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    Did I ever just run into a wild statement from a near death experiencer that sure fits with your Multiverse Theory.

    http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a05
     
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    But..... faith could cause a paradigm shift in economics that could come in really handy in dealing
    with those 4.3 Trillion USA Petro-Dollars that you drew my attention to........
    (post #19)....
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/jamie-baillie-nova-scotia-israel-and-jordan.506627/

    President Donald J. Trump has some sort of "Mantle of Cyrus" and as you know..... I was told that
    I had something like that myself.......

    AboveAlpha...... assuming that the first major intelligence came into existence in fundamental or nearly fundamental energy...... would that intelligence(s) / Intelligence (s) tend to place a high value on human life..........
    and even on the life of animals?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...onal-being-in-the-universe-multiverse.368603/

    Could God the Father be the most emotional being in the universe/ multiverse?

    ...

    Up until this time even the most sincere of religious people have tended to place rather low value on human life.... and even less value on the lives of animals.

    I believe that our thought patters are very much out of line with the most ancient of Intelligences?!

    This is profoundly affecting how we view economics and every other important subject.
     
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    I am asking for something BIG for Brownsville, Florida.....partly as an apology to my wife's people...... Pentecostals, Charismatics and Baptists........
    because me and my old church.... we had zero clue how much power Pentecostals were really tapping into?!



    Heavenly Father..... we come before you in the name of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus...... We so thank you for inspiring President Donald J. Trump to make a pronouncement on September 1, 2017..... unlike has been done by any modern President of the USA........

    Heavenly Father.... if there is a high death toll in Florida, Texas, Louisiana, Montana and Oregon...... then your enemies will say that you..... .did NOT answer President Donald J. Trump and your people who prayed..............
    .... so I ask..... for something awesome along the line of what you did for the ancient tribes of Israel.... just to prove that you love your people in America just like you loved Israel in the time of Moses and Joshua.........

    ...... Deuteronomy 4:34 "Or hath God assayed to go and take him a nation from the midst of another nation, by temptations, by signs, and by wonders, and by war, and by a mighty hand, and by a stretched out arm, and by great terrors, according to all that the LORD your God did for you in Egypt before your eyes?"

    .... I now ask you Heavenly Father to do something very strange......... Stop the hurricane at Brownsville, Florida where that "Father's Day Revival" took place..... .and send Irma in seven different directions........... to show skeptics that you still have off the scale technological capability to control the weather........ no matter how severe......... Make this America's Red or Reed Sea event...... where we return to you with our whole hearts.............

    Mark 4:39
    "And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm."

    Rise up Messiah Yeshua - Jesus.... and show us that you are also a Prophet like unto Moses / Moshe!

    So be it / Amen...........

    In the name of Yeshua / Jesus we pray.......
    HallelluYah.........

    Deuteronomy 28:7
    "The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways."

     
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    According to Yeshua you're supposed to do your praying in private. He hates public prayers.
     
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    You are correct... but one of my sayings is that there is an exception to virtually every rule........

    Matthew 6:1


    Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
    Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
    But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

    That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.


    And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

    ..........

    At that time in history praying in public would earn you some respect.......
    but not really in our time period... and.....
    I have been praying...... or at least attempting to do so for forty years so I have learned a little bit about
    how to word prayers to get more answers than I used to..........
    even General George Patton prayed publicly on occasion............
    when he had to get G-d to intervene to change the weather so that he could kill more Germans.......
    and rescue more victims from the Third Reich........




    Also..... it is my belief that if somebody with faith.... writes the word "Amen" or "Amein" or So be It as a comment..... then we are tapping into the principle of quorum of agreement...... on the specifics of the prayer...... and that has power.......


    Mat 18:19

    Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
     
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    I'm going to paraphrase the late, great, Hitchens;

    Why would you want there to be a celestial dictator who runs a celestial North Korea ? Where you every thought and action is seen, known, and can be punished ?

    Why do you want there to be an eternal dictator who can do with you and everyone whatever is desired without your input, regardless of morality ?
     
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    Because I personally think that a high percentage of deeply religious people have taught about a creator..... who thinks like they do.......... but they are quite in error about that.


    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/index.html
     
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    That would be a hellish reality. And if that is reality, I would like to check out of it, and die into nothingness. Which when compared to the suffering and hellish lives so many humans have lived, would be a kind of heaven. People under rate such a nothingness, IMO.

    But since I do not have to accept this reality, given to us by human beings, I would choose a different reality, and one that makes much more sense. I would rather think like the physicist tom campbell does, which is so much easier to accept. That the universe is analogous to a virtual reality, created by an analogous super computer, which exists outside of the universe not subject to time, space, matter. Or entropy. This super computer, and I am using a metaphor, but it is of course different than a super computer, creates the universe, using another metaphor, information, and probability distribution. And this source, this metaphor is Big C consciousness.

    The rules of the game were laid down and the goal, the purpose of this universe is evolution. Evolution of the universe and of life which is part of this universe. Life evolves physically, but consciousness also evolves, and this is about both. The physical evolution and the evolution of consciousness. The evolution of consciousness if accomplished by reincarnation of consciousness. Evolution is to address entropy. This super computer is Love, god is love or so some religions maintain. And the evolution in consciousness is in regards to love and perfection in consciousness. And this is the reason the Universe exists.

    Of course, being outside of the universe and not subject to its game set, this super computer had no beginning and no end. It is infinity. Infinite consciousness, with an infinity of potentialities of course. In each living organism is a fragment, a subset of the Big C consciousness. It is therefore eternal, and has no end. Upon evolving into love and perfection, it returns to the source, which religion has called heaven.

    SO, I think I will choose that kind of thinking, since it looks more to be some kind of god to me than these other qualities man has invented about god, with his human attributes, the fits and tantrums which no respectable creator of the universe should have. And this looks to me a much better god, and it gives meaning to existence. And it is respectable in so far as gods go.

    Plus if quantum physicists get to where they agree that information is essential at the quantum level, for that reality to exist, you have the inference of this super computer, which is as close as possible to get to evidence of the source. Some academics have claimed this will get rid of the animosity between science and religion. I can see how it would. One could still be an atheist, by simply rejecting the inference. They could still cling to and enjoy their flying spaghetti monsters. But the people who think there is a creator would feel pretty good too. For to them, you cannot have information without a source of it, outside of what the information manifests. A chance for peace except in those who prefer not to have it. I guess they have many lives ahead of them to evolve their consciousness. So even people like Hitchens and Dawkins will eventually come around. LOL
     
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    Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Because the most ancient intelligence.....
    would also be the most emotionally attached to the creation.......

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...onal-being-in-the-universe-multiverse.368603/

    Could God the Father be the most emotional being in the universe/ multiverse?

    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html#a05
     
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    The fact this "ancient intelligence" permits children to be murdered, women to be raped, and others to starve to death (even for a temporal time) means there is no reason to value its opinion authority.
     
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    Would this be a correct definition of agnostic?

    The word agnostic comes from the Greek a-, meaning without and gnōsis, meaning knowledge. In IT, that translates to the ability of something to function without “knowing” the underlying details of a system that it is working within. As with interoperability, agnosticism is typically enabled by either compliance with widely-used standards or added elements (such as coding) that will enable one system to function in a variety of environments.

    Some examples of agnosticism in IT:

    • Platform-agnostic software runs on any combination of operating system and underlying processor architecture. Such applications are sometimes referred to as “cross-platform.”
    • Device-agnostic software operates across various types of devices, including desktop computers, laptops, tablet PCs and smartphones.
    • Database-agnostic software functions with any vendor’s database management system (DBMS). Typical database-agnostic products include business analytics (BA) and enterprise resource planning (ERP) software.
    • Protocol-agnostic software is independent of communication protocols. It negotiates a protocol with its peer and begins communication.
    • Business process-agnostic software functions in different business environments. One example is a business process-agnostic business service that encapsulates logic associated with a specific business entity, such as "invoice" or "claim.”
    http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/agnostic


    Could life-like robots be considered 'agnostic'??




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    I am still holding on to every bit of sanity that I have left ... Every bit... It can get difficult at times, but I am clinging and holding on... Lord have mercy on me.. In Jesus' Name, I ask . Amen.

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