Study: Obamacare Is Not Collapsing

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While You Sleep: 1:00 AM Monday Vote Set on Obamacare

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) has set the stage for a major vote Monday morning at 1:00 AM – one that would require the support of 60 Senators. That would, if all goes according to Senator Reid’s plan, set up a late-night Christmas Eve vote on final passage. Senator Reid also used a rare procedure to block any further amendments from being offered, debated or voted upon.

When it comes time for Senators to cast their vote at 1:00AM Monday morning, shortly after Sunday Night Football ends and most Americans are in bed, they will have had less than 38 hours to understand a 383-page amendment that introduces several new concepts into the health care debate, including:

• A scheme that gives the Office of Personal Management immense power in administering what amounts to a multi-state public plan;
• How much a state “opt-out” of abortion coverage in the legislation erodes the long-standing Hyde-amendment;
• The budgetary impact of ELIMINATING the physician reimbursement fix; and,
• Multiple new taxes, federal regulations and sweet-heart deals aimed toward certain states like Nebraska.

It is important for Americans to understand the process being used by the Senate. Barring any procedural snags (of which there are many in the Senate’s complex rules and precedents), the debate is likely to play out as follows:

• Monday, 1:00 AM – Vote to invoke cloture (i.e. end debate) on the manager’s amendment. 60 votes are necessary.
• Tuesday, 7:00 AM – Vote to approve the manager’s amendment. A majority vote is necessary.
• Tuesday, 8:00 AM – Vote to invoke cloture on the original Reid substitute amendment (the 2,000-page bill). 60 votes are necessary.
• Wednesday, 2:00 PM – Vote to approve the Reid substitute amendment. A majority vote is necessary.
• Wednesday, 3:00 PM – Vote to invoke cloture on the underlying bill. 60 votes are necessary.
• Thursday, 9:00 PM – Vote to approve the underlying bill (i.e. the Senate’s version of Obamacare). A majority vote is necessary.

Last January, President Obama told his senior staff that “transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency.” Now, an unconstitutional health care proposal that was drafted behind closed doors and poised to be approved while Americans are not looking will become the touchstone of his presidency. Surely this was not what the American people signed up for.

 

Is there really a Trump plan.

 

Good lord. The Senate approved their version in Dec 2009, the version that was voted into law in March 2010 by the house........no changes !! It was approved by the senate 2.5 months EARLIER.

The Affordable Care Act actually holds the record as the second longest consecutive session in congressional history !!!!!!!!

This is part of the congressional record.

http://affordablehealthca.com/timeline-obamacare/


Dec. 24, 2009: The Senate approves its version of the health care overhaul in a 60-39 party-line vote. Democrats have to break a GOP filibuster. The bill’s passage confirms majority agreement in both chambers of Congress.

March 2010: President Obama and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi keep up pressure on Democrat lawmakers to ensure passage of the health care act. “We are this close to the summit of the mountain,” Obama tells staffers. A New York Times analysis calls it “the most riveting cliffhanger of the Obama presidency so far.”

March 21, 2010: The Senate’s version of the health care plan is OK’d by the House in a 219-212 vote. All Republicans voted against it. “The American people are angry,” House Republican leader John Boehner said. “This body moves forward against their will.”

March 23, 2010: President Obama signs the Affordable Care Act into law. “We did not fear our future, we shaped it,” he says.

 

Yup, Its exactly what I said. They passed it in the middle of the night on Christmas eve, with almost no one reading it, then twisted arms and threatened people to get house members to approve the changes.

Your argument is ridiculous because after Christmas eve, it was over, and no changes were ever allowed. They refused to even talk to republicans.

its all a freakn lie, just like nancy said, you have to pass the bill to find out whats in it.

what a load of crap

 

Your making **** up !!!

it passed at 7:15 am........

It was available to read, and was DEBATED in the house for more than 2 months....

The Affordable Care Act actually holds the record as the second longest consecutive session in congressional history !!!!!!!!

 

wtf are you smoking????

Sure you could read it and if you didn't like it, democrats said F U

 

The balance of parties in Congress since 2010 has been close enough that Republicans were able to obstruct everything Obama wanted to accomplish.

 

Repugs pretty much kept Obama in a straitjacket for eight years, and then whined that he did nothing. After a big majority of the country elected him. Not like the fake president we now have.

 

Had Martha Coakley won the MA special election for Kennedy's seat instead of Scott Brown, the GOP would have had less control. You are correct that the Brown election, and then the 2014 elections when they swept the Congress, made it such that the GOP had enough to stop Obama's agenda starting in 2010.

Now in all fairness, they had no power for the first two years of the Obama presidency. That's how the Democrats managed to pass Dodd-Frank and the ACA.

 

The spectacle of Republicans mincing around and braying about the much-maligned "ObamaCare" since 2010, staging over 50 show votes as a rehearsal for their "immediate" repeal and replacement, makes their current display of impotence all the more embarrassing - following the Mar-a-Lago blowhard's vapid hype for "something terrific!" that covers "everybody!"

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The reality they now confront, following the embarrassment of their cocky boast having fizzled, is that they must suppress their ideological pipe dreams and take the pragmatic steps to improve the Affordable Care Act that they refused to undertake for far too long..

Amidst all their futile antics, the combined forces of a Republican administration, a Republican Senate, and a Republican House, they have one notable achievement:

Growing Majority of Americans Oppose Congress’ Plan to Repeal and Replace the Affordable Care Act
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Their fruitless frolic results in half (50%) of the public now holding a favorable view of the Affordable Care Act itself while fewer (44%) hold an unfavorable view!

Blimey!

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Stop braying like a willfully ignorant ass. The Congressional Record PROVES YOU DEAD WRONG. So either you're parroting Trump's "fake news" attitude or you're just being plain stubborn.

 

How dumb does someone have to be, to not see Obamacare as collapsing, given the exchanges are dying off, premiums are being hiked as much as 140%, and only 9 million of the 30 million uninsured ever signed up?

 

Probably about as dumb as someone who voted for Trump thinking he was going to make something that was already great great again.

 

This is a really uninteresting post.

 

If you voted to him I am pretty sure it is.

 

A pool of higher risk people, who don't pay, is unsustainable. Sorry, that is how insurance works. Insurance counts on claims being covered by premiums.

When a large majority of people have higher claims rates and costs, and less people are paying premiums, the balance is out of wack.

No, it isn't. Up until the point that its forced. Before that, its a group of private citizens who desire to engage into a business relationship with each other to mitigate risk. That is not socialist. Not even a little. Socialism is when the entity is government controlled, which our health insurance industry is not. Social security is socialist.. health insurance is not.

The number of claims decreased because less people are participating.

Ok, its becoming clear that you are actually the one that has no idea how insurance works. The hospitals costs are based on the rates established by the insurance companies. Ever wonder why some hospitals/doctors accept Medicaid and others don't? Because they are willing to accept the lower rates that medicare is willing to pay.

From there, they write off the rest of the loss, if there is any, in the form of tax deductions.

When people come in who can't pay, the cost is both charged back to the government through medicaid, written off from taxes, or added to the bills of patients who don't have insurance.

LOL. Not everybody is paying. There are like 40% of people in the exchange markets that are subsidized. How do you figure that is them paying?

yeah, medical costs are climbing slower, while premium costs to insurers in group insurance plans supporting 40% of people who don't pay, are growing astronomically.

Maybe you are hyper-partisan, and unable to have a logical thought without injecting some political conspiracy, but for the rest of us... the facts around Obamacare simply don't add up the way you are saying.

My lord. If this is success for you... we are in big trouble.

 

Did even READ the article? If not, then THAT'S "dumb".