Immigrants in Trump's America Now Deported for Running a Red Light

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  1. Pycckia

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    I don't see the problem.

    Yes, I am a critic of such programs. H1-B visa holders of my acquaintance have displaced native born computer programmers.
     
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    While the KKK was not created by the Democrats, even though they did support the ideology of groups like the KKK, it is now a proven fact that the KKK, and other white supremacist groups, are solidly Republican:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/study-kkk-helped-republicans-win-201002152.html

    BTW, how does one gain 4 "trophies" while only winning 3 "debates"?
     
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    Then you do not understand justice, or fairness. Should a child be punished for the sins of the father?
     
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    Pycckia Well-Known Member

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    What child is being punished for the sins of which father?
     
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    She had a visitors visa and worked ergo the offense was working without the appropriate papers which is not the same as illegally entering the USA or overstaying on a visa.

    Break laws and risk suffering the penitently ergo do not break laws. When I enter a foreign country (which I do on a monthly basis) I follow the law. It is a privilege to be in a foreign country, not a right.
     
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    The KKK is pretty much irrelevant these days anyhow.
     
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    Much like the democrats.
     
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    Nah, you are just posting propaganda put out by democrats to cover their sordid past.
     
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    Hmm, two laws broken. Go figure.
     
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    And, LOL, I seriously doubt you would admit it even if you were honest enough to admit native workers have absolutely been banished and replaced in certain trades.
    Furthermore you will not admit the cost of supporting untold millions of unemployed and low wage workers (and their considerable families) of illegals has been staggering (despite your dubious propaganda) and the gang crime, drug and human trafficking, identity theft,
    defrauding the government and auto theft, unlicensed drivers, drunk drivers, illegal housing,etc. etc. etc. have ALL brought this nation much misery and grief. And I come from an area of Northern California that has been swamped with illegals so I've seen it all first hand.

    I love the many Mexican restaurants that pop up when the demographics of a region become flooded with law breakers but I could do without their burritos, all things considered.



    How do literally millions of low waged, unskilled illegals and their families improve our economy? I've studied the issue plenty and your claims are all garbage! So go pound sand.
     
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    As Europe’s migrant crisis enters a new phase, it’s clear that European leaders have neither the will nor desire to preserve their own civilization.

    Take women’s rights, for example. In Europe as in America, the equality of the sexes has for decades been held as an immutable fact. But Europe is even more militant about its feminism than America. For Europeans, the very idea of a housewife is backwards and oppressive; mothers are expected to work and send their children to state-subsidized child care, not opt out of the workforce to raise a family. This is the official policy of the EU, which has entire commissions dedicated to ensuring more women enter the workforce.

    For Muslim immigrants to Europe, who come from societies in which women are generally subordinate to men, this comes as a shock. Yet for a long time Europe insisted that newcomers adopt western attitudes regarding women’s rights and sexual freedom. As Christopher Caldwell has noted, this was the only non-negotiable demand Europe made of its immigrants. The European ruling class might have been willing to look the other way on free speech and denounce as fascist anyone who worries about Islam and terrorism, but on feminism there was no room for negotiation: “It is the litmus test according to which assimilation—and even membership in the national community—is judged. It is the one area where Europeans retain both a deep suspicion of Muslim ways and a confidence in their own institutions that is free of self-doubt.”

    At least, that’s how it used to be.

    Professional feminists have no interest in protecting the rights of Western women, because it’s different when they’re being oppressed by oppressed “migrants.”

    We only want entrants that love US, love OUR ways and want to join OUR culture!
     
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    Which trades are those? The ones that Native Citizens (if I used the term "Americans" some might think I was speaking of another race) will not do?

    Nope. Your idea of "honesty" does not go very far since you will not admit that the same charges can apply to Native Born Americans in even a greater degree. In any event, making a claim that one race has no criminals would be a sign of absolute ignorance, or insanity.

    If they were "garbage" you could post some "facts" from your alt reality that would contradict them. However, all you do is spew your ignorant nonsense.
     
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    Can you really argue that when Trump, and the Republicans, were elected here?

    The "way it used to be" has been long replaced by a culture of greed, narcissism, and a total lack of concern for others including the children:

    "It is painful to watch children trying to show off for parents who are engrossed in their cell phones. Children are nostalgic for the 'good old days' when parents used to read to them without the cell phone by their side or watch football games or Disney movies without having the BlackBerry handy." Sherry Turkle

    Who would want to "join our culture" when we suffer a liar, a thief, an adulterer, and a coward, to be our "leader"?
     
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    Rather than the generally drunk and always corrupt Hillary and the out of their mind nuts who mourned her loss on election night? Sure!
    [​IMG]

    Bill Clinton is constitutionally barred from ever being President or even Vice President. So, we're good!
     
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    The building trades in Northern California became essentially all illegals as they flocked into the wine country where I lived.
    It has nothing to do with painters, brick layers, cement workers, roofers, etc. not wanting to continue their livelihood.
    They were undercut by illegal workers and run off. Period!

    <Rule 2> that has been documented and witnessed over and over again.
    Can non illegals buy unsafe junk cars and put them on the roads, driving without driver's licenses or insurance? And when they hit someone or something else simply abandon their car where it sits and flee?
    Sure, of course they can....but it has been the illegals, here illegally, who have turned these customs into a regular way of life and I myself witnessed such hit and run tactics more than once or twice.
    And that's just ONE particular way in which millions of illegals interact with our laws and legal system. There are so many other examples.

    Go pound sand....I'm sick of dishonest apologists for the illegal tsunami.

    They most definitely are garbage and you take millions of people here illegally who are typically low skilled and low wage earners...people whose children require special schooling, families that need medical care, food, housing, who are
    being arrested far beyond their estimated percentage of the general population and tying up the legal system.

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/usne...al-aliens-a-drain-on-us-taxpayers-report-says
    I already know you will likely reject my citation but that doesn't change the facts it reports. I'm really not interested in reaching that small percentage of people who think the price of cucumbers makes up all the ways in which illegals leech
    off the people.
     
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    Seems like the Clintons is the only pathetic excuse you have. What of others like Darrell Castle, or McMullins? Ever think of following the advice of George Washington, and getting away from the two party system?

    Wrong as usual:

    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/...ident-Again-Here-s-Scenario-Bill-s-Third-Term
     
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    Hmmmmmm maybe just maybe

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    • Insulting or personally attacking other posters (Rule 2)
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    Here again you have presented no documentation, <Reply to Deleted>.

    Show your proof that illegals do so more then Native Born Citizens.



    Just as you rejected mine <Rule 2>

    http://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-wrong-immigrants-promote-economic-growth-2017-2
     
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    <Reply to Deleted>



    I gave my citation and everything claimed can be verified by simply checking other sources.



    You mean like the custom of turning garages into living quarters for other illegals, against all city health, safety, code and zoning violations? Even if non illegals did this, which I've never seen or heard of, the fact that this invasion of illegal immigrants have added to those other law breakers (which don't exist) and compounds
    any problem for city and counties that bother to enforce their own laws demonstrates your point to be bullshit!
    We don't need to import crime into this country, thank you. We already have our own to try and manage.



    Yes. I reject the sort of b.s. nonsense you offer because it's been considered all before and always found wanting. Stop making asinine arguments for something
    known to not be true.
     
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    Nailed it!

    That's exactly the dilemma we find ourselves in. Every time one side builds the structure of Federal Power to unnecessarily control the lives of others, very quickly they lose control and that power falls into the hands of the opposition.

    So what's the <Rule 9> solution?
     
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    <Reply to Deleted>

    If we need additional workers, we have guest worker programs, if they want to come in the FRONT door, they may apply for permission.
     
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    Tell me what you think of Trump not bringing his manufacturing jobs back to America, and hiring cheap foreign labor under the H1-B visa program.--

    And I gave three other sources that disagree. Do you want more?

    I would suggest you do some research on what is happening just here in Central Oregon, or you can do some research on Portland Oregon. Here we have people, not illegals, trashing private property with their garbage, trashing the forests, and just generally created a mess. <Rule 2/3>

    http://www.ktvz.com/news/bend/sw-bend-neighbors-irked-by-transients-tent-city-trash/69104454

    http://www.oregonlive.com/homeless/2015/06/post_1.html

    <Rule 2>
     
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    I've already posted on my disagreements with Trump
    extending the labor visa program that's a hand out for billionaires.
    As far as his not bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US I'm not going to blame him for things beyond his control...though it seems like you do.

    Do I want more rotten food when I send my dinner back to the kitchen and they give me more of the same? No thank you.



    And I suggest you get a clue and realize that whatever idiot native citizens do has nothing to do with the problem of illegals in this country. They are two entirely separate issues. Stop conflating things so it makes your horrible arguments look better.
     
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    W#hat? He doesn't own the company? Why is it beyond his control when he expects others to do it?

    Well, you do seem to prefer to be ignorant. Here is what happened in 2011 when Obama did the same thing:

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/48725145

    Problem is you choose to ignore what the native citizens are doing, and place all of the blame on the illegals. NOTHING in your posts speaks of "native citizens" trashing neighborhoods, and the forests. Yet you want to act as if the crime rate is the fault of illegals.
     
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