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Trump lawyers asking about presidential pardon powers

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  1. Denizen

    Denizen Well-Known Member

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    Trump is investigating pardoning himself, his family and associates.

    This is a sign of guilt of crimes that Trump has to consider this.

    Is this the beginning of the end for Trump?

    Will Trump's empire crash as Trump is run outta town?

    http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...g-presidential-pardon-powers-possible-mueller

     
    Denizen, Jul 20, 2017
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    Trump is in full panic mode.
     
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    Too funny. Just the looks on Schumer, Pelosi, and Waters faces would be worth the fallout! Things were getting pretty boring ... this should get Dems boiling. "If it is what you say ... I love it! "
     
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  4. Denizen

    Denizen Well-Known Member

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    The only Trump left standing will be Barron after the Trump empire implosion.
     
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    Hell, if I was Trump, I would have asked about "pardon powers" on Jan 21 2017.
     
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    You know, when he starts asking about that, he is as guilty as home made sin; http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/...ardoning-himself-family-members-1005099587908
     
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    Please, I'm begging you, show me evidence. Just put me out of my misery already. 6 months and nothing but smoke.
     
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    Your mind is clouded by the barrage of nonsense Trump publishes. A lot of the haze is anus gas from the tightened bowels in the White House communications team meetings.
     
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    Maybe if he got on him knees and begged, Mueller might show some of his hand. He reportedly has Trump's tax returns and all those related to the LLCs. :D Can you smell Trump's fear?
     
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    I hope he was asking for a very benign reason. All Presidents have pardoned people. Who is he looking to pardon? You have to have been proven guilty of a crime to be pardoned.
     
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    I appreciate your leeway but he is as guilty as sin...........he cannot oppose Putin and Putin's interests. There can one be a few reasons and all are disqualifying for the POTUS.
     
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    A pardon can be given before trial. HW Bush pardoned 6 people before trial in the Iran contra scandal. As my sig has stated for the last year. Article 2 section 2 of the US Constitution is where I learned this.
     
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    Thanks for the info.

    I wonder who he would be looking to pardon before a charge is levied. Maybe Flynn?
     
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    If they are I wouldn't be surprised.

    A good lawyer should look at every angle for their client. They should know all the info on prospective prosecutors, judges, etc. I know mine does. That's why she gets paid the big bucks.
     
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    I love the smell of Trumpist fear in the morning...it smells like victory.
     
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    UNNAMED SOURCE

    FAKE NEWS
     
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    at present the evidence is classified

    but don't worry, it'll come forth when the case is ready

     
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    The President can't pardon himself.
     
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    No, you don't have to be convicted of a crime to be pardoned. You can be pardoned of crimes you are simply accused of (established by the SCOTUS in 1867 in the Garland case). For example, Gerald Ford's pardon of Nixon.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1988/01/05/o...-allows-pardons-before-conviction-590688.html
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_.../2008/07/preemptive_presidential_pardons.html
     
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    Watching the rising water approaching the suffocation level, the Trump team has begun searching for ways to preempt criminal punishment against Trump and his family. His experts are pursuing two avenues: to thwart the independent investigation by discrediting the investigation team, and to explore the pardoning power of the president.

    So far Trump’s every move to derail the investigations has added impetus to the investigations. The pardoning power is a different ball game. The legal limits of the power are not well defined at all. Of course, the intention has been clear from the onset, but the law can only operate on the basis of its literary expression. The society seeks justice; that is to use punishment as a tool to discourage future crimes. But no law can be designed to address all the eventualities, and so, every so often the verdict of the law can be grossly unjust. The presidential and gubernatorial pardoning powers are intended to right such wrongs, especially in severe punishment cases.

    Nixon was a good and effective president. His only crime was just one instance of too much expression of his power for a political gain. He had invested a lot of himself in his life to achieve the presidency. When he got impeached, a huge part of the meaning of his life was destroyed. This was a huge punishment, and more was unnecessary. Pardoning him by Ford was entirely appropriate.

    Pardoning himself and his family members without a cause of deep justice is not the intention of the presidential pardoning power. The society will want justice; will want to match the punishments with the crimes. Since the legal avenue is uncertain, the sane part of the country will take the political route, which is through impeachment first. Once impeached, a president can pardon no one. Pardons can address only specific legal proceedings. Even if he pardons himself and family prior to impeachment for the criminal proceedings on the table, more will surface after. And, it is inconceivable that the country will accept a pardon against treason. Trump is not a career politician. To him, the presidency is only a juvenile game that fell into his lap, and can be used solely to satisfy his ego. The country will not deem impeachment as enough punishment for him, so as to discourage such future foolish adventurers. Pence, when in position, will be reluctant to pardon, because it could easily be proven to be his political suicide.

    Trump’s reckless dealings with his opportunist political supporters are alienating the last vestiges of his political strength. And his popular support base will crumble soon, as the rising storm starts choking the last traces of potency of this presidential power. The viability of impeachment is now not too far in the future.

    From what we have seen of Trump’s arrogant disregard for pitfalls, it is highly improbable that Trump and his team did not leave many political/criminal booby traps for themselves along the campaign trail and after.
     
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    You just know he was too stupid, arrogant and greedy.
     
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