Best case scenario

A pardon by it's very nature implies guilt

 

In the case of a presidential pardon it doesn't imply guilt, it requires guilt.

 

No it is not and no it cannot. Pardoning someone prior to any prosecution or conviction would be a de facto guilty plea to what, exactly?

 

you cant pardon someone who hasn't committed a crime. Furthermore, you cant even arrest the President

 

You know, I read this, and said.......cool. Not that I agree, but that it demonstrates the angst his presidency produces. And, well, that's cool for me. I truly believe that liberals need to take some time, and wrestle internally with their rebuke.

 

Actually I'm pretty sure issuing a pardon has never been considered "obstruction". It would take a Supreme Court ruling to thrash that out.

Maybe a few years down the road a ruling would come down.

 

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecu...hack-south-carolina-voter-registration-system

That's one of 21 states and they don't KNOW if the hacks were successful or not.

The Russians clearly were trying though

 

The republicans would likely face devastating losses in the midterms if Trump were to do so as I doubt that any other than the most ardent Trump supporter would be OK with such a move.

 

And I'd like to see the right recognize their cutting of of their noses to spite the left. Seriously, is the damage done by Trump really worth pissing off the left?

 

A person received a pardon and having not been investigated for any crime or found guilty of any crime is inferred to be guilty of what, exactly?

 

http://watergate.info/1974/09/08/text-of-ford-pardon-proclamation.html

A pardon for possible criminal acts has been granted in the past.

 

Damage? Yet to really be seen. If you mean the angsty reactions? Priceless. It's better than HBO.

 

As they say, facts, not in evidence. But hyperventilate anyway.

 

A pardon is specific to a crime and an admission of guilt.

 

After Gerald Ford left the White House in 1977, intimates said that the former President privately justified his pardon of Richard Nixon by carrying in his wallet a portion of the text of the Burdick decision that suggested that a pardon carries an imputation of guilt and that acceptance carries a confession of guil

 

this would be a massive abuse of the Power to Pardon, and he would be impeached for Obstruction of Justice.

so i say yeah, bring it on.

Fire Mueller and pardon everyone, including himself.

 

Ford's pardon of Nixon reads, " .......grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974." May have committed or taken part in is completely non-specific.

 

Thanks for that.

 

It's specific as to time. And "Burdick" says that it is an admission of guilt...and Ford knew it

 

The only thing that remains to be seen is the extent of the damage. Did you see what he said at the Scout jamboree? Can he never turn off asshôle mode?

 

But not challenged in the court where it would likely have fallen to precedence. America got what it wanted, Nixon out of the White House, end of story, no need to beat the dead horse. What could a challenge have accomplished? None of Nixon's crimes were likely to land him in prison so why waste millions of dollars?
When Trump goes I'll be satisfied. I don't need him to end his days in prison. Sure, the Feds could confiscate some property where crimes were committed, say Trump Tower in NY and Mar a Lago, that would be swell.

 

I don't make the story. Just putting facts out there.

 

And the fact is that no one cared to challenge the pardon because there was nothing to be gained by doing so but an ugly, lengthy trial that would not likely end in any prison time nor significant fines. For example, having accepted the pardon Nixon could no longer plead the 5th in the trials of his associates since he could not be prosecuted for any of the crimes he himself committed yet he was not called upon to testify. Perhaps it was a kinder, gentler time.

 

Ok.