Shots were fired at Israeli embassy in Amman

You have written so many answers I have missed them.

I see you are just trolling. I had a hope you were worth more than that but for a long time I have known you are not.

 

i hope this brings WW3

 

Sure it is, just like in 2000 when hamas and the arab muslims, who were told months in advance about Sharon's visit, used it as a pretext for violence.

How come you're excusing arab muslim violence? Oh, that's right...

Sure it is, they've been waiting 75 years, they just move really, really slowly.

At least you admit that fact. Shocking.

Oh my goodness, everyone else is allowed to protect themselves - just not those damn JEWS...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/aug/15/explosives-detectors-mecca-holy-mosque

One million dead next door in syria, assad is dropping barrel bombs on whole cities, and the UN wants to investigate Israel? They can ultra f--k themselves.

Why not claim ten million? You can follow the hamas method of counting. Then claim everyone who was fighting was a "civilian".

Perhaps not using violence to resolve political disputes might occur one day to the arab muslims. I won't hang around waiting for it, though.

 

LOL, was expecting them to claim the arab muslim terrorist vermin just stumbled into their home, and accidentally stuck a knife he just so happened to have on his person into 3 jews...poster quality is not high here.

 

Breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

 

As is obvious to anyone with any intelligence, but not everyone has any, and some have agendas.

Anyway, as long as the iranian regime in its current format exists, peace is simply impossible - they will not allow it.

 

whats your solution to the Palestinian problem?

 

Certainly. Remember all the fuss that went up because Israel dared to put up a wall to defend itself? Far fewer Israeli citizens are now being murdered but that doesn't sit well with those Muslims who want an end to Israel and death to its inhabitants.

 

This is why we don't want you in the US. **** you, and your endless fights over spaghetti monsters.

 

If these people cannot survive in Gaza who is to blame? Israel may as well have kept control over the area and the people might have had a chance at a decent education and a chance at self sufficiency.

Of course 'the world' is keeping very quiet about the usual turmoil among the Palestinians. Who really cares anymore? They exhausted their international quota of sympathy a decade ago.

 

How exactly do you work that out? It is true that the Arab Israelis who committed the attack in Al Aqsa appear to be a group loosely connected to Hamas but that is not what we are talking about.

I was reporting new from Israeli sources. You however have given nothing but abuse and have contributed absolutely nothing - just a desire it would appear for collective punishment on the Palestinians blaming them all for the original attack. You do not know what you are talking about and so are just abusive and offer absolutely nothing except your abuse.,

You see here you are not even knowing where the problem is. How ignorant can that be. Ignorant people always stick to abuse. It is all they have.

The current 'drama' has been going on a lot longer but of course you do not see the Palestinians as human beings who deserve the same rights as everyone else.. You support 50 years of imprisonment and torture of people.

So what do you think about the week of peaceful protest that was going on. Yes I know you know nothing about it.;

How Israel has continued her occupation as she works to get rid of the Palestinians and fully colonise their land.



For people other than you because your only expertise is abuse, there are also links explaining the 67 war and how the US people had no love of Israel before 67
http://normanfinkelstein.com/2017/0...ican-jews-embraced-israel-after-the-1967-war/

 

Israel did not keep control of Gaza because she was under pressure to do something to answer the US about Oslo. Moving out of Gaza however was never meant to be anything about honouring Oslo it was the very opposite. It was to end the 2 State Solution.

Gaza Myths and Facts

You will probably find an answer to any if's and buts you have on that link. In addition Israel was made very aware that Gaza would only be successful economically if she had access to the West Bank and freedom for economic activity. This has not been so. She has been under siege for 11 years. As you will see above the idea that it was Hamas being democratically elected that began the rockets is a myth. Israel left Gaza to continue launching rockets. She knew when she left how she would treat the Gazians.

So then we should look at who breaks the ceasefires and that is invariably the Israelis.

As for the usual one about well would your country not want to kill civilians and send a people back to the stone age if they were getting the same rockets as Israel does, well this was asked in the question and answer session after the debate on the Gaza 1914 war at Gresham College to the British General there. He said Britain would not attack them like Israel did. He pointed out that Israel was encouraging people to go and live in the areas she says are affected and that she had built a new railway to them. He did not believe any country would do that if they believed it would be dangerous to its citizens. He ended suggesting maybe Israel was trying to get people to believe Palestinians were dangerous or something. He said of course Britain would keep an eye on them, it would be something which needed attention but treating them as if they were a dangerous state Britain would not.

You can get more information to decide who is to blame here.

From what I know I would not blame the people of Gaza. I believe they were set up. Indeed I used to have as my signature a quote of one of the people who came up with the idea of leaving Gaza and he envisaged it just as it has become. Absolutely hell for the people imprisoned in it and a situation which would result in war, war, war. If I could remember his name I would get it.

Well I do not believe everyone shares your inhumanity. People do care. Gaza however is a prison cut off from the world and people are too busy getting frightened of Muslims after the US and UK destroyed the ME with Clean Break and set loose Islamic Terrorism with all the refugees it has created leading to all the incitement to hate Muslims merchants...it can be easy for a people to get lost in all this. One day people will feel the shame of their indifference.

 

Here's what was intended for Gaza.

"The agreements brokered, according to Condoleezza Rice, stipulated that,

• For the first time since 1967, Palestinian authorities would have complete control over exits and entrances to their territory.
• That both parties to the agreement, Israel and Palestinians, would upgrade and expand crossings to facilitate the movement of people and goods between Israel, Gaza and the West Bank.
• Palestinians would be allowed the use of bus and truck convoys to move between Gaza and the West Bank.
• Obstacles to movement in the West bank would be lifted.
• A Palestinian seaport was to be constructed on the Gaza littoral.
• A Palestinian airport was considered important by both sides. and the United States was encouraging Israel to entertain the idea that construction to that end was to be resumed."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza
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• And what did the Israeli people get out of this 'disengagement'?

Just more Palestinian terrorism, much as the rest of the world is facing now from Muslim attacks.

https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/06/18/israeli-defense-minister-2005-gaza-disengagement-was-mistake/

It is clear from newspaper headlines that it is Muslims who lack a sense of humanity, both from targeting women and children for death, but also their burnings, beheadings, death and destruction against innocent people everywhere. The idea of Muslims as victims is a ridiculous and despicable idea.

 

We do not know, because Israel refuses to say what went on. What the Israel did do, is say their guard who killed people has immunity for questioning and prosecution, and placed a gagging order on their entire population.

So it's obvious they are hiding their wrongs.

 

What did the Palestinians get out out of this "disengagement".... just more ethnic cleansing terrorists in the West Bank. A blown up seaport who was just 2 months under construction, gaza's airport never opened after the disengagement.

Simply put,.. no promise the Jews made pulled through, while they went on raping the Geneva Conventions while they demanded the Palestinians just roll over when they get ethnic cleansed.

 

Yes, the gagging order is very effective...I have not been able to find any further news on this incident. Instead, the thread took off on the Al Aqsa in East Jerusalem.
Just now I read:
Israel removes metal detectors from al-Aqsa compound
Israel has decided to remove metal detectors it had placed at the entrance to al-Aqsa Mosque compound in the occupied East Jerusalem and replace them with more advanced surveillance cameras.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's cabinet voted to remove the metal detector gates after a meeting lasting several hours convening for a second time on Monday.

Sheikh Najeh Bakirat, the director of al-Aqsa Mosque, said overnight on Tueday that the move does not fullfil the demands of the Muslim worshipers as the security cameras are being kept.

Sheikh Raed Saleh, an al-Aqsa official, said that the Palestinians will "never accept the current status, unless everything that was added after July 14 was removed".

"The picture until this moment is not clear, they are doing it in the middle of night, in the cover of darkness, like bats. God knows what we are going to wake up the next morning."

Al Jazeera's Imran Khan, reporting from occupied East Jerusalem, said that as the metal detectors were being removed, hundreds of Palestinians protested against the security cameras that remained in place.

He said that bulldozers were laying cables for new cameras with advanced face recognition software.

The cabinet statement added that it had allocated 100 million shekels (about $28 million) for the equipment and for additional police officers.

Read more here...
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...tectors-al-aqsa-compound-170724214814179.html
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Life could be so beautiful, but for the sake of greed and power it is made impossible.

 

There is nothing fair in comparing a terrorist going into civilians home murdering everyone in sight or even unaware policemen in the Temple mount and casulties of riots against the police when you know full well they siked themselves into "freeing al aqsa", the Muslims said there will be bloodshed if Israel wont remove the detectors, you blame Israel for the making Muslims violent but when it comes to casulties - its murder ? no that cant be right, regretfull yes but its not the same as cold blooded murder, there was nothing "peacful" in the riots, they burned At-Tor, Isawiya that are right in the middle of Jerusalem and would have marched into Jewish neighborhoods if the police wasnt there to stop them, its not fair and not honest to compare cold blooded murder and deaths of rioteers.

What the minister said and what I ment are the same, if the riots continue and escilate and it will deter to a holy war including Jordan, turkey and all Muslim countries - yes, it would end in an ethnic cleansing or either Jews or Muslims, I asked you how else such a war can end and your only reply was - its what the Jews want, lol, while you yourself support the violence and the Muslims demands AND you accept their threats , so how can you possibly say its want we want?

The Likud eventualy backed down and removed the metal detectors but not the police presence, its would have been done sooner if the Arabs havnet declared this is an ownership issue and symbolic, once they did it was ego, not ethnic cleansing plans, but eventualy someone in the Likud realized that we already do own the Temple mount and declaring a battle over it is a stupid concession to Arab narrative just by complying......

 

Alright Ill ask again, what hapopened in Al aqsa that qualifies Israel "taking over it" ? so far you produced Jews visiting it and digging at the Waling wall.

 

What this idiotic post ? you are changing my posts to ridicule them ? is that Palestinian honesty ?

 

Doesnt take a genius to realize what happened, one just has to b enone Muslim to figure that out, the security guard has two stabbing wounds from a screwdriver in the back and in his chest, the Arab is dead from a bullet and the second one died from indirect fire, bullets that werent directed at him but shifted his way. unless the carpenter had divine powers he wouldnt be able to stab the guard twice AFTER been shot so obviously he stabbed him before being shot.
He's back home and in a way the Jordinain blackmail worked, no metal detectors.

 

Yes.

 

Now that they removed the metal detetctors - the Arabs are still not happy because of the cameras

Its worth to mention that detectors are installed at the entrance of the West wall for many years now - so much for "humiliating" the Muslims .

If they want a war so be it, what else can we do, I dont even blame them for trying to take what they see was taken from them, I only disrespect their whining, declaring war and cry murder at the same time

 

This will be in several parts.

You were provided with lots. You just choose to ignore. So now you are demanding a massive long answer. The rest of this will also deal with that as well because that is what the main issue is. Lets have a look at one of the articles I provided you with which you chose to ignore. This article comes from 2015 when the US was getting concerned about what you are doing. You will remember the 'knife intifada' as it was called began around then one of the chief reasons being concerns about your take over of the Compound. Of course this is not just of concern because of religion, Israel's desire to take over the compound as Jewish rather than Muslims also includes it's take over of East Jerusalem reinventing it as Jewish and intending on denying the Palestinians East Jerusalem as their capital.

http://www.jonathan-cook.net/2015-11-01/israels-encirclement-of-al-aqsa-nearly-complete/

You were provided with this information before and there is still a lot more at the link. Your claiming

is blatant dishonesty.


I am going to move down to your later bit now as your other comments are covered there as well.

No. It isn't part of Israel but people do get that that is what you want them to believe.

Seems Israel is a bit concerned though that Palestinians are still the majority in East Jerusalem even with all the ethnic cleansing - booting them out of their homes and putting settlers in instead.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...hten-grip-east-jerusalem-170604094945894.html

East Jerusalem is occupied land and recognised as such by the whole world, you still claim it is Israel. As they point out you are trying to reinvent the Compound and East Jerusalem as Jewish i.e.Israel but it is not.

This was at the beginning of June

http://www.jonathan-cook.net/2017-06-06/israel-approves-plans-to-tighten-grip-on-east-jerusalem/

so as we can see there is continuous provocation to try to change not just the Compound but East Jerusalem from Muslim to Jewish making it harder and harder for Muslims to get there. Of course due to you believing it is already Israel you will see no problem in this. That is the nub of the problem. It is about a lot more than religion.

That is an insane suggestion. Of course Israel taking the Palestinians land and trying to reinvent it as Jewish is about Politics. Politics is also what wars are about. The Republicans saying they were going to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem and declare Jerusalem the undivided Capital of Israel was the likely reason for 9/11. A lot of American people have died for your politics both then and in 'clean break' since then. Politics is definitely involved. 9/11 was said to be because of the US support in you not honouring Oslo. How was that shown? Most obviously by the Republicans intent to move the Embassy when it is well known the Palestinians have always intended East Jerusalem to be their Capital. By saying they were going to move their Embassy the Republicans were kissing goodbye to Oslo. A few weeks later, no doubt being encouraged by the Republicans, your extremists, of which by the way Netanyahu was around, murdered Rabin which you yourself have agreed was the end of Oslo. Of course no one has ever dared move the Embassy to Jerusalem. They expect it to start this thing they call Holy War. Bush was too scared. Even Trump stepped back.

Lets stick to what we are talking about. You are becoming a broken record with BDS. That is not what we are talking about. There is another thread where you can talk about that if you wish. It is yourself who is out of contact with reality in believing that East Jerusalem is part of Israel. Your insults do not change that reality, just show you for who you are.

Politics and wishful thinking are relevant, the Temple mount is part of East Jerusalem, occupied Jerusalem. It is part of the West Bank, not Israel....but yes, despite the reality that there are more Muslims still living in East Jerusalem than Jews, Israel is still trying to reinvent it as Jewish. This along with what is happening on the Compound is what the Palestinians are talking about. You are blind to it because you are blind to the reality that East Jerusalem is not Israel.

 

part 2

well to be frank I wrote that more out of emotion from what I had been reading and possibly from your abuse but lets have a look.

yes you have.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...share-al-aqsa-mosque-2013111184111359951.html

This one is from 2014

http://www.palestinechronicle.com/al-aqsa-vs-israel-the-lurking-danger-beneath/

This is from 2011

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/151130

and that is the sort of incident I read about from time to time.

Obviously since you have had settlers wanting to be able to claim it as there's and getting more and more extremist. This may have begun with just extremists but it seems to have become more and more mainstream.

Now this seems to be what the problem is all about.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fe...share-al-aqsa-mosque-2013111184111359951.html

Now this is 4 years ago so it may have changed but if it has it is a very new change and to please your Religious Nationalists

so basically until the religious nationalists who are extremists there does not seem to have been this desire to go and pray which you want. Traditionally Judaism has not allowed it. Now you want it.

That being said, here in 2014 Abbas is complaining about you going there

http://www.templeinstitute.org/archive/19-10-14.htm

so is this a relatively new thing you are doing. Earlier were you following the Rabbinical thing of not going there and then as Israel became more extremist religious nationalist and they gained power particularly in the Knesset, more Jews took to going there? Because if you did I can well understand why the Palestinians would think you were taking over. When did you start putting your policemen on it? Has that always been the case or just thought necessary from when the extremists got started - I imagine soon after you did your land grab of 67.

Then of course you have taken it seems to doing your version of Orange Marches

http://www.jonathan-cook.net/2017-06-06/israel-approves-plans-to-tighten-grip-on-east-jerusalem/


So you are using your superior power to force yourselves on the Palestinians in contravention of the historical advice of your Rabbis – because you have become extremist Nationalist/Religious.

And you aren't just praying there, it appears you have got into sacrifice, if not yet your 'magical cow'

http://www.jonathan-cook.net/2017-06-06/israel-approves-plans-to-tighten-grip-on-east-jerusalem/

So not only does the compound now have your police on it, it also has your extremists sacrificing lambs...and your extremists are allowed to keep coming whereas of course Muslim ones are not.


I have no difficulty at all in understanding why the Palestinians get the idea you are after al-Haram ash-Sharif though as I have already said it is about a lot more that religion. It is about Israel transforming it and East Jerusalem into a Jewish area - trying to write it like the Muslims were never there. I can remember hearing you were doing something similar in, I think it was Jaffa a few years ago. Indeed I have read you have been doing it everywhere. A big rewrite of history

 

Part 3

Fair enough. Temple Mount/ al-Haram ash-Sharif-/Al Aqsa makes little difference to me.

I am forever hearing about you are digging trying to find the Second Temple. We even had a Greek Dr of archaeology who spoke about the digging. That was what I had in mind. Along with that I always hear concerns about Al Aqsa being damaged I was sure that I had read people were concerned that your digging would cause damage to it. You were digging for at least 20 years. Yes I found the Arab one, 3 years and then a bit more which Israel insisted on.

But it looks like there may be a bit more which Israel will not admit to.

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2008/03/27/47501.html

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As you are not admitting to it, I thought maybe it is just these people's imaginations but then I read Jonathan Cook saying

http://www.jonathan-cook.net/2017-06-06/israel-approves-plans-to-tighten-grip-on-east-jerusalem/

so he mentions the underground excavations...and then I remembered seeing a documentary about East Jerusalem and one of the things they spoke about a lot were these tunnels which kept being dug and no one would say where they were going to so I think probably you have also been doing it secretly.

I am indifferent and I have dealt with that already. It was your own Chief Rabbinate who said you should not. Now that you have become more extreme and religious nationalist you have changed this. The only interest this has to the current discussion is whether it can give the Palestinians the feeling you are wanting to take over their compound and given that it would appear that until very recently you kept away and now you are needing ever more police and some of you are sacrificing lambs – the cow no doubt to come and that the people who come the most often are extremist but there again extremists are incredibly well represented in your extreme right Knesset, yes I would say the Palestinians have good reason to be worried. And when you add this

http://www.jonathan-cook.net/2017-06-06/israel-approves-plans-to-tighten-grip-on-east-jerusalem/

I wonder how there can be any question left.

and remember this is not just about religion. These are people lacking rights. As well as the mosque, Israel is telling them they will never get their state with East Jerusalem as its capital. Palestinians seem to me to be very patient people.

Yes of course some do.

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...t-offering-rituals-al-aqsa.html#ixzz4no3n6kJ8 [/quote]

and it is these extremists who are the people who are most engaging at the Temple Mount. People who are very well supported in the extreme right Knesset.

(I wrote this last night)

You are right that the murders were indeed desecrating the site but you fail as usual to acknowledge any of your own. Your intent is to take East Jerusalem and if you are successful in a few years your extremists will be slaughtering their cows, you will have destroyed Al Aqsa, that is one of their intentions and you will have managed to get another bit of another people's land. In the meantime we will wait to see reactions. Earlier I suggested Israel may think she can get away with it due to her new allies, particularly the chief supporter of terrorism, the Sauds. I think I said that it would depend on their people whether that lasted. If I didn't say it I was thinking it. I then saw that Haaretz had an article on Jordan, saying that both Jordan and Israel would like to let it go. It was the people of Jordan who will not. So we will see how that progresses but I think Israel's position is quite clear. Take everything. Screw the Palestinians. They are not human beings. Pretty much the same attitude a lot of people on here have to arabs and/or Muslims. The problem with Israelis is the only language they know is violence. I think I understand now why Hamas came to that conclusion.

I see though Israel is removing the metal detectors

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...detectors-removed-from-holy-site-in-jerusalem

It looks like Israel is removing them so that it does not escalate in the ME and in order that you get your people home from Jordan. Having fitted out the area with cameras and many more Police does not however seem to have the Palestinians but I am sure there is no worry about the people of Palestine. They can always be mowed down.

Basically Gilos the reason you cannot see what is is glaringly obvious, that is the reality that Israel is taking over the the Al Aqsa Compound and East Jerusalem is because as far as you are concerned it is already a done deal - you already believe it is yours which is exactly what the Palestinians are complaining about. It is not.



(Now I know you have written more but I have had trouble with my computer getting this written so there is very little chance I will look at any more for the time being. However all your questions which I had already provided information for have now been fully answered.)