So far, Trump Presidency a FAILURE

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  1. logical1

    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Only the whining left wing believes the Trump admin is a failure. They are just all butt hurt that the crooked serial liar Hillary wasnt elected, and just cant face reality.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Do you actually believe that quoting Trump's tweets makes you less uninformed?

    Refugees don't travel on visas!!!!

    Wow! These idiocies from Trump idolaters are getting more and more stupid as Trump's and his wingnut media's misinformation campaign grows.
     
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    It is a catch 22 for the Congressional political class.
    If they pass a bill that Americans do not like they will blame Congress - not Trump.
    If they do not pass a bill Americans will blame Congress - not Trump.

    Either way Trump will either immediately or soon be in a position to offer radical reform that virtually all Americans will like and undermine support for Congressional opponents.

    Trump will have the option of standing for giving power - and money directly to the productive working class by taking it away from the leviathan state.

    Opposition to such a move would be like spit in the ocean.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I guess that has been the motto of this Administration "The Buck Stops Anywhere but Here" Trump has laid blame on all the negative things he has done on others. While, at the same time, taking credit for positive things which he has not had any influence on.

    The question is whether Republicans in Congress will keep acting like partisan lackeys, or if some of them will start following their Oath of Office.

    Undermining his opponents is what Trump has been good at. As well as creating more and more opponents for himself. "Radical reform" that Americans will support? .... He has no interest in that. His only interest is being the President of his base. Which is about 25% of voters. But neither he nor they even have the brains to understand how legislation affects them.

    Giving "money directly"?? My point has been made...
     
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    You are relying on Fake News that is not persuasive anymore. Even the most biased anti-Trump polling shows that his base of support remains very solid.

    “WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump's job approval rating in the American counties that fueled his 2016 victory stands at 50 percent, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll of these "Trump counties."
    Fifty percent of adults in these counties — consisting of Republicans, Democrats and independents — approve of the president's job performance (including 29 percent who strongly approve), while 46 percent disapprove (including 35 percent who do so strongly).”
    NBC, Trump’s Approval Stands at 50 Percent in the Counties That Fueled His Win,
    by MARK MURRAY, 7/16/2017.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/fir...ds-50-percent-counties-fueled-his-win-n783151

    It is fair to assume that his actual support is much higher than any NBC poll is likely to ever report. Politically, Trump is in a very strong position to move against either or both party establishments - no matter what they do to "resist" him.
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Correct. MSM = Fake News.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    50% in deep Republican Counties that elected him is not "solid". Especially when we are only 6 months into the Presidency.

    But it is true that his base of supporters is very solid. My 25% number is only my estimate. As I said, he could shoot a random person in 5th Avenue, and he would lose a single one of them. Right now his support is at 34%. I think that losing 9% if he did that is a good estimate. Short of that, he'd probably lose a bit less if he's simply found guilty in an impeachment trial. In the mean time, he'll probably stay around where he is now, for the moment. It will be a different story when we're approaching the midterms.
     
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    That is traditional political analysis. But it has not worked very well at predicting Trump's ability to overcome traditional politicians.
     
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    Totally agree. It makes sense, I always considered Trump an independent. The congress is a mess right now even with Republican control. Republicans senators all don't support the same things. We need to get an influx of more Republicans, and hopefully we can rid ourselves of internal obstructionists like McCain and Graham. We must create a larger margin against Democrats who are absolutely useless. So we need to pick up at least 5+ R senate seats in 2018 and we might actually get some stuff done.

    We should be able to get our tax cuts you would think with the current congress, but healthcare is a tough bout. They might get some stuff done, but we won't get full reform we need. In respects to Trump's infrastructure plan, I don't think he will get any R support; and had Trump been a democrat the democrats would but as I pointed out they useless. That may be the hardest of his agenda to pass.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump wasn't 'given' anything. He earned his victory through his message. If it was a matter of independents, they would have chosen someone else in the primaries. This appears to be yet another attempt to diminish Trump and his victory...
     
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    failure to defeat ObamaCare

    Trump's biggest failure yet
     
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    You can believe that if you want, but those Independents won't be around in 2020 to support Trump.
     
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    They'll be there for Trump or stay home, the Democrats have nothing to offer and nobody worth running...
     
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    This thread is just fake news posted by a well know Trump hater. Can someone near him give him a cookie and a safe place so the big bad Trump doesnt get him????????????? :)
     
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    logical1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Since Trump has gotten rid of a large number of Obama's executive orders, he is NOT a failure at all.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    pathetic trolling.
     
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    My gut says Trump will be challenged, and lose in the 2020 primary. He will not get a chance against any Democrat in the actual election. His base is slowly fading, and the Republican Party cannot take a chance on a Loose Cannon taking down the Congressional majority.
     
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    Its bad form to challenge a sitting president from one's own party. The only hacks that would attempt are probably that RINO Graham, but he got stomped last time so its unlikely, so we'll hear him whining until his state finally kicks his sorry ass out of office.

    Trump's base is not fading, the only people who say that are the same liars that got all the presidential polling wrong. They are utterly unreliable, and quite frankly Trump as been keeping his campaign promises, there is no reason he won't be re-elected easily, especially since the left has gone full fledged stupid since Nov...
     
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    It might be bad form to challenge a sitting President, but Trump cannot win in 2020. The votes Trump claim are fraudulent are actually a couple million voters that did not vote for a presidential candidate due to all of them being buffoons. Plus, by 2020 Trump will barely have 20% support from the uninformed people that voted for him in 2016. Also by 2020, the Republican party will be so sick of his stupid daily POT STIRING that they will not support him.
     
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    I've heard this song and dance before, back in Nov. Trump didn't have the votes then. The real question is whether or not liberals can keep up their whining until 2020. People are already tired of it, plus they had eight years to enact change and failed the nation miserably...
     
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    You don't know that. A lot can change over the next 2 years and Jim Webb is certainly worth running.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump has been keeping campaign promises. Far as I can tell Trump has kept more campaign promises in less than a year than Obama did in eight. You folks still don't seem to understand why Trump won in the first place. There is no liberal candidate that can help so long as the liberal platform remains backing illegal aliens over hard working Americans, backing racist organizations like BLM over police departments, and backing trannies in girls bathrooms over the safety of our children. No candidate you can manufacture can win until you reconcile those issues. It doesn't matter if 99% of the country hates Trump, they'll still vote for him over that anti-American liberal agenda...
     
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    What can Webb offer and still gain the DP nomination?
    The Great Great Great New New New Deal/Society?
     
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    So, you are saying that the democrat campaign of obstruction and hate is a good thing?
     
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    Trump is kicking ass, winning like crazy:

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/so-many-democrats-so-easily-distracted.511011/

    The MSM and Democratic Party are the FAILURES. Lowest approval ratings ever, FAR lower the President Trump or the Republican Party. Even nearly half of Democrats now say the Democratic Party doesn't care about them, while of 90% of Republicans are solidly behind the President.
     

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