Could Poland be kicked out of the EU? Donald Tusk issues ultimatum

where is your link as to what you are connecting this too or is this just another little Baff waffle

You don;t know what you are talking about. The Polish people , 75% of them want to stay in the EU not least to enjoy the economic benefits they also get from it.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...g-government-eu-russia-democracy-under-threat


Why you hate the polish people so much only 19% of them voting for a fascist type regime which some people say is more authoritarian nationalistic - oh I have got it, because that is what you want.

 

Polish people may wish to stay in the EU, but they also don't wish to accept migrants from Germany.
They never agreed to it. They don't want it.

No amount of links will make the EU a democratic organisation. Almost everyone in the EU was joined to it by force.
Very few people in Europe at all, voted to become an EU citizen. Most weren't asked.

It's internal "democratic structure" is highly undemocratic. And perhaps the most defining part of democracy, the protection of minorities from majorities is what the EU is trying to end in Poland. The majority seeks to over rule the minority on local matters which affect only the said minority. This is not democracy, it is fascism.

The EU is less democratic than Hitler. Well done EU, please lecture me in democracy some more.
I come from a country which has repeatedly voted again and again and again not be part of the EU, and yet still is a member.
You ****ing suck @democracy. You malign and evil scumbags.


Polish people are lovely Alexa, it is you who I brand fascist here.
I don't care who they vote for. I'm not Polish I don't live in Poland, they are free to govern themselves.
If you don't like them, so what?

 

They don't wish to be migrants from Germany? Start a new thread on your imagination on that. This thread is about Poland coming near to being sanctioned due to going against the rules it agreed to when it signed up to join the EU of its own free choice. Something it has benefited well from economically and also with support re Ukraine.

like I said, your imagination here is not what either this threat or the situation with Poland is about....it is about Baff!!!!!

The EU is far more democratic than most people think. However I have told you time and again there is DiEM 25 working to make it properly democratic. Go and join them if you genuinely are interested in democracy.

I am afraid you are telling Porkies now.

True that depended on the rules of Individual countries. Having said that very few people do not like being European citizens - this is mostly the majority of the over 60's and ethnic Nationalists.

insane

away with the fairies. Poland is being picked up on something it knowingly agreed to when it joined and also knew what the consequences were if it did not abide by them.

so now you have got to Godwin's law.

This is a not true.

This kind of post will get you infractions and then banned, then where will Baff be able to come and think out loud.

 

The migrants Germany wants to pass on to Poland aren't German, they are Syrian etc.
Germany invited to them to come and live in Germany but didn't mean it.

Poland on the other hand, didn't invite them, and did mean it.

Polish people never agreed to this. except in the mind of "Alexa" perhaps.
No one ever agreed to this. No one has agreed to this.
It's was not part of the EU constitution when Poland joined. It probably still isn't now and even if it now is, Poland did not agree to it.

I have no interest in joining the EU. Making the EU more democratic is not a goal in my life. I couldn't give a ****.
If they want to become democratic, they need to disband. Plain and simple. The EU does not attract democrats to it's cause. It attracts megalomaniacs only.

Internal EU structure is not democratic. The MEP you elect does not make the rules of the EU.
**** knows who does, but you don't get to vote for them.

This country elected Tony Blair on the mandate not to join the EU without a referendum first.
His party and the opposing major party both campaigned on this electoral issue. And he won on that manifesto. And every election since has been won on that same manifesto, whoever happened to win it.
The same manifesto was repeated and won on, by all major parties in every national election in the UK since the concept of the EU was first imagined.
Once we had joined every election was fought on the manifesto fo giving us a referendum to come out. Every major party had this manifesto every time and everyone who got elected had a democratic responsibility to provide that referendum but refused to.

But it doesn't end there, after our anti democratic joining to the EU, we then had direct elections to decide our EU policy. European elections. And these were won every time by the Leave the EU campaigners.
Finally when it was clear that none of our democratically elected representatives were actually representing us, we got our referendum and represented ourselves, and once again we voted not to be in the EU.
Every single democratic election ever, since the origin of the EU, in this country has been won on an anti EU ticket.
Every single one for decades. And yet we are still members, so this is not a democratic country and our membership in the EU has never ever been democratically mandated. Quite the opposite.

17 million people voted for out of the EU, the single largest show of public unity in the history of this country.
Talk bullshit to me about democracy in the EU? WTF would the EU know about it? Or even care.
They hate democracy. Too many people disagree with them.

Trying to censor me for not agreeing with you, doesn't make the EU more democratic. It just makes you a fascist.
I'm not scared of you and your empty threats. Report me, get me banned. Life will go on without you.

 

Ha ha ha Oh I thought that was your anti Deutsch coming out. Do we havve the first instance I have come across off Baff joining his fellow ethnic nationalists in putting Muslims down. That is not what this thread is about and Poland's Muslim population is only 0.1% of Poland.

You have quoted nothing. You are talking about nothing. I was humouring you for a bit as you say only nonsense now you are boring me.

 

You hate Poles and you hate Brits, and you love Muslims and Germans. I don't really care.

If Poland has 0.1% Muslims and wishes to keep things that way, that is their business.
If you wish to convert to Islam, please do. I don't give a **** what your religion is.

If it is your goal to Muslimify Poland, so that it's demographic meets with your approval, well, WTF.
They don't care what you think and there is no reason why you should have any vote in Poland's domestic affairs.
The EU wants one, but it doesn't have one.
Nor should it.

I bore you because you talk crap that doesn't hold up to cross examination. Talk to yourself in the mirror, I think you will enjoy it more when every word you say is accepted as irrefutable gospel by yourself.

Thank you for humouring me. I appreciate your time. Glad I could reciprocate.

 

Man ... in which kind of fairy tale are you living to believe and write such BS?

Poland as signed and agreed to it as all others have to do, otherwise they would not have become member of EU. It is simple like this!

 

Have you any idea about the contracts which are signed by the members of the EU and which content they have? Obviously not!

And I for myself as German do for sure not hate Polish people ... aside fact that my wife is Polish! And do I hate Brits? No, I didn't and I don't ... but I hate folks blabbering nonsense and playing the propaganda troll to spread BS lies around which have not a spark of truth in content!

 

I read the EU treaty and I read the Lisbon treaty. The comedy of it was that they were the same.
But mate it was a long time ago.

I don't remember the part that said Poland had to take a share of Germany's migrants. I'm sorry, I really don't.

I like the Poles I like the Germans, and I like you.
I also like winding up Sobo about being German, but actually I like both him and Germany. And the opportunity to hang with German people here is one I like and appreciate. We could use some Poles right now too.

 

Yep, we will be saying what regulations cars made in Germany will need to comply with, or cheese in France as well.

As for cash, we still give the EU £9 billion per year - after rebate and after what the EU spends on the UK. A huge sum of money and personally, I don't think the £4 billion the EU spends on the UK per year should be counted as coming back, as 1, we get no say on how it is spent and 2, a huge amount of it is wasted and 3, by far the biggest bit is to pay for CAP, which even the EU admits is the worst scheme on the planet - in the UK the biggest receivers of it include the Royal family and an arab royal whose "farm" is his race horse stud. https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-...Nbx-ufgSS7E6kndOrVNfrBnucHOpHdnoaAkk7EALw_wcB

As for consequences, leaving the EU is well overdue as membership has been a disaster for the UK. The primary purpose of joining the common market was to increase trade, but since joining our trade to the EU has repeatedly fallen. At the same time, of the 10 countries who have grown trade the most to the EU, six don't even have a trade agreement. So, we have paid now hundreds of billions for a mythical benefit.

We don't have to pay anything further to the EU. Though personally, I think the EU owes the UK. All of the EU infrastructure has been paid for from only a few countries. We should get the proportional value of that back. Personally, I don't want to see a deal with the EU as I think it isn't in the UK interest and I suspect the UK will walk away without one.

 

I like that statistic!
It's fun. I'm going to steal it from you and use it myself sometime. Sorry.

 

And reversed the same for sure, because you have to follow with any product you will sell into EU the EU regulations!

Since Maggy Thatcher you got 40% of any GBP spend minimum back and because the UK is sitting in commissions who decide for what the money is used, the UK had all the time the saying about!

When I take a look how much money was spent by the EU into the rotten UK during the last 30 years, well... I thing the childrens od your grand children should still pay this all back!

 

No problem. We will pay all that back and you will pay all our contributions back.
This is a most excellent deal and we will totally sign up to it. 100%.

Not only that but we will love you.
We will cheer for the EU and think that you are both civilised and truly democratic and enlightened people.
We will openly laud you for your reasonableness and honesty and good faith.

We will then ask... why couldn't our own government be like that, and then set about reshaping it into the model you use.

Oh yeah.
Give us back our money and I promise you, we will respect you.


A money back guarantee with every EU membership. Now that is confidence!
I give a money back guarantee in every job I do also.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, make sure you have vacated our embassies by next March or we'll use troops to very publicly evict you from them.

This one makes us smile a lot, because in truth, we don't sell many products in the EU.
The same is not as true in reverse.
We feel that we are advantaged by this new arrangement.