If you remove monuments of slave owners, then also don't endorse the books they wrote (Bible).

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  1. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    But when no other option exists despite their true preferences they CHOOSE to commit homosexual acts.
     
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    It's the religious - Christian and Muslim - bleating the loudest against it, and using their religion to justify their views.
     
  3. FreedomSeeker

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    And "Jesus" is so immoral that he'll send them to endless torture for that (according to the Buybull), even though they are not particularly hurting anyone! That's because "Jesus" is immoral.
     
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    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    How do you know they are not hurting anyone?
     
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    Since the Bible barely mentions where in Egypt they did live, and a lot of that time was spent as slaves it isn't terribly likely that they would have left much behind to find especially when they decamped taking everything portable with them. I bring the Torah up because it is the most obvious. None of the prophets seem to have been exactly rich, and were unlikely to have owned slaves. Only three books were written by people who probably owned slaves, Psalms mostly written by King David, And two books written by Solomon.
     
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    Nonsense. Find me a genetic component to homosexuality. What if there is a genetic component to serial killers do we let that go because it's like being gay Caucasian? What about pedophilia do we let that ride if there's a genetic component?
     
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    Washington and Jefferson were not traitors trying to break up the United States - Confederates were.
    Please try to pay attention.
     
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    Jefferson was not only a slave owner but was a white suprematist :

    The first difference which strikes us is that of colour. - Whether the black of the negro resides in the reticular membrane between the skin and scarf-skin, or in the scarf-skin itself; whether it proceeds from the colour of the blood, the colour of the bile, or from that of some other secretion, the difference is fixed in nature, and is as real as if its seat and cause were better known to us. And is this difference of no importance? Is it not the foundation of a greater or less share of beauty in the two races? Are not the fine mixtures of red and white, the expressions of every passion by greater or less suffusions of colour in the one, preferable to that eternal monotony, which reigns in the countenances, that immovable veil of black which covers all the emotions of the other race? Add to these, flowing hair, a more elegant symmetry of form, their own judgment in favour of the whites, declared by their preference of them, as uniformly as is the preference of the Oranootan for the black women over those of his own species. The circumstance of Superior beauty, is thought worthy attention in the propagation of our horses, dogs, and other domestic animals; why not in that of man?

    http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/presidents/thomas-jefferson/jefferson-on-slavery.php
    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/jeffvir.asp
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part3/3h490t.html
     
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    And I guess a necrophiliac also can't help but be attracted to corpses. Are you going to defend him, too?
     
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    Now explain how that is an endorsement of subjecting an entire race to slavery by force and without consent.
     
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    Again Jesus doesn't send to he rescues from. If you refuse to grab the life whose fault is it if you drown?
     
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    Some day, like Modern Secular Humanists, you'll find the love in your heart to leave a cult where the hero of the cult is a defacto brutal torturer.
     
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    Correct. And they are not hurting you, so stop being so incredibly immoral that you approve of the barbarity of god/Jesus - who in the Bible say to kill gays, and that gays are (apparently) such scum that they can't, repeat CAN'T, get in to heaven. Da Vinci was gay, and Gandhi was not a Christian - so according to the Bible those two great men are far far WORSE than you are....so of course you seem like a BLATANT SUPREMACIST, DAYTON3. Dayton3, I believe you are indeed a decent person, yes, but you are not better than Da Vinci or Gandhi - only a supremacist Nazi would believe that! Stop the supremacism.
     
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    It's like the mafia - by accepting your "protection money" they SAVE you from them having to break your legs!! God/Jesus = celestial Mafia.
     
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    You don't get it do you?...."you may purchase male or female slaves": this one phrase ALONE makes the Bible immoral. What part of "purchasing human beings is immoral" don't you understand?
     
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    Not yet.

    But I'm still alive so things can change.

    A living dog is greater than a dead lion.

    IIRC that is in Proverbs or Ecclesiastes in the Old Testament though I think it is also a common saying among various cultures as well.
     
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    Removing monuments to historically significant figures solely because they owned slaves is inappropriate.

    Removing monuments to individuals who turned on the United States, rejected its Constitution, and took up arms against the United States, so that White men, for their profit, could keep families in bondage, do not deserve to have monuments anywhere in the United States.
     
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    Again dead wrong the proper analogy is your are drowning, some one throws you a rope and offers to pull you to shore but you are too convinced of your own greatness to accept his help.
     
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    Prove that they are!! INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!! Find your compassion, and then leave Jesus.
     
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    Removing monuments because those people didn't even know right from wrong, is INDEED appropriate. So is leaving religions where the heroes didn't know right from wrong on this simple moral issue (slavery) - such as Moses, Jesus, Mohammad, etc.
     
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    You may purchase people who are already slaves is a different thing than go out and make war on your neighbors and take all of them as slaves. Moving them from a place where they may be murdered out of hand to one in which such things are at least limited. Is an improvement in their lot.is it not?
     
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    Necrophilia harms the legacy of the victim,and of course the victim does NOT CONSENT - gay sex among CONSENTING adults should not be punished....so therefore Moses, Jesus, and Mohammad are all sinners for approving of bad treatment of gays.
     
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    Not guilty until proven guilty no one is innocent.
     
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    So what if I could show you, hypothetically, where Biblical heroes made NEW slaves....would you condemn god for approving of that? Or does god NOT approve of the Bible?
     
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    A gay person is innocent....but Jesus is NOT innocent because he will send them to hell and won't let them into heaven. Jesus is one of the most immoral people to have ever lived.
     

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