If you remove monuments of slave owners, then also don't endorse the books they wrote (Bible).

You SERIOUSLY need to read the "God Delusion"!

 

It ALSO didn't teach us, directly, about germs - that's because it's not really from god.

 

Yes, you'll likely be detained for testing & taken into custody to establish your identity, address, driver's license, insurance & so on. However, on the DWI charge, if you don't confess, the court has to charge you & go through the usual procedure - a trial of some kind. If a blood draw for alcohol or some other intoxicant comes back positive, the trial might be pro forma.

But the procedure is there to protect the accused & also the judicial system & the police themselves. In effect, in the case outlined above, the suspect goes into a kind of legal limbo - charged, but not yet tried. Because a finding (guilty or innocent) implies a trial, & that takes some time to schedule, gather background information, evidence, witnesses, arresting officer, & so on.

 

Nonsense, modern secular humanism is selfishness writ large. Selfish desires and needs from murdering children while still in the womb to avoid interrupting the party, to murdering yourselves when life gets a bit too complicated. All of it in a vain attempt to avoid the consequences of your actions. Care about humanity? No secular humanism is little more than a form over substance exercise in virtue signaling. And one last thing no one goes to heaven because they are better than some other human being. That's a really cheesy standard in any case. You can always find someone who in your own myopic world view seems worse than you are willing to admit to yourself that you are. You go to heaven in spite of who and what you are not because of it. You go to heaven if you do because Jesus died on that Cross 2000 years ago and thereby paid the price upon which you could not even begin make the down payment for yourself let alone anyone else.

 

Yet most of those dietary laws seem to made it easier to avoid a a whole lot of food borne illness - every thing from salmonella associated with the consumption of shell fish in the days before refrigeration to trichinosis from under cooked pork and a lot of others too. Some one who knew a lot about bacteria seems to have written a lot of the Torah.

 

Too bad the writers of the Bible didn't understand that unicorns (mentioned 9 time, no less!), and dragons are not real. The Bible was written by ancient goat-herders, not Brainiacs, to be sure.

 

Yes, and their their approval of slavery helped keep wages very very very low for the slave-masters - what a great book it is indeed.

 

Nonsense - as if we had Jesus' alleged super-powers, we'd let ethical Hindus (etc.) like Gandhi into "heaven" and out of "hell" - unlike the very very selfish Christians. Apparently, Christians/Jesus don't want too many brown people up in their invisible exclusive gated community in the sky.

 

You mean immoral for you personally? Or is there a place where I can read the moral code that such a book violates?

 

Adding genealogies makes no sense whatsoever if your wish is to establish a historical timeline.

 

That is a disgusting thought.

God has a need to be loved so he creates pets to do just that? don't know about you but I find that to be seriously sick.

 

These "pets" (humans) can still choose not to love and worship God.

Most in fact do not choose that.

 

If the Bible was correct (it's obviously not), then the geneologies from Adam (the first person) to Jesus would not be around 4000 years, obviously! Your "god" is no better than Zeus.

 

I choose to love "god's" CHILDREN, and I'll love the one particular god that can provide a court-room level of evidence that he's the one true god, and not it's not Zeus, or Krishna, etc. THAT should be plenty good for an all-knowing god to give me a favorable after-life - uh, I'm assuming that the real "all-knowing" god (if any) is smart, ethical, and fair (seems reasonable, no!).

 

Why would we choose TO "love and worship" a psycho god that killed virtually everyone of us (at the time) in his barbaric "flood"!? I can't worship a genocidal maniac who hates humans that much. The only reason to worship such a monster would be selfish fear (so selfish that ethical non-believers heading to "hell" is ok with you.) I'm NOT ok with ethical non-believers ending up in the "hell" that the monster in question designed.

 

Keep in mind that we are talking about followers of god who are arguably so morally twisted that they are ok with their god torturing a "good man" (named "Job") in the Bible just to make a point to the Devil.....uh, a Modern Secular Humanist would have, if they were god, said to themselves "holy crap, I'm talking to the devil, this is my chance to ARREST him!!" Yes, most Christians are less ethical than most Modern Secular Humanists.

 

And then he kills all the innocent first-born male pets (including babies) in a cage named "Egypt", because one of his pets (named "Pharaoh") won't listen to him. Talk about the world's WORST pet owner! Wow! I can honestly say, that except for Jeffrey Dahmer, I've never heard of a more sadistic pet owner than the god of the Bible (and his ethically-retarded son.)

 

There is NOTHING that could have been put in the Bible that you would NOT defend, I'm sure.

 

Nonsense - Muslims have Jesus ("Isa") as their messiah as well, and Muslims DON'T believe that Jesus died on the cross, and also don't believe that god has a son - clearly the Bible got it wrong.

 

Or the Muslims got it wrong

 

You go on believing the universe just magically appeared out of nowhere ... matter suddenly and inexplicably came into existence where it didn't exist before. Extraordinary!

I'll believe some being created the universe.

 

Yes, it was Zeus. See you have the wrong god, so stop praying to him or you'll get Zeus angry! Please, stop!!

 

Islam is nuts, but LESS nuts, LESS cruel and violent, than the Bible is:
Number of Cruel or Violent Passages:
Bible 1321
Quran 532
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/06/which-is-more-violent-bible-or-quran.html

 

Slavery is too broad of a concept to condemn out of hand. I think its ignorant to do so.

I can condemn the brand of slavery held by the south prior to Civil War. It was...pretty evil. Not the same as ancient societies. The South paid for that.

I don't necessarily condemn an ancient society that is struggling to survive using what war tools they have. Assimilating slaves into a society is better then killing them. Not killing them and not enslaving your prisoners is asking for the death of your own society.

And, I don't condemn the chain gangs we used to have not too long ago. The prisoners were, for all intents and purposes....slaves. But now prisoners have so many rights---the rights and priviliges exceed the rights and priviliges of our law abiding citizens.

Slavery does not have a simple definition.

 

In 5000 years I bet we know much much much more about how it came into being, explained scientifically, and none of that new knowledge will be "god did it!" Stop being so impatient - just because science doesn't explain everything 100% TODAY doesn't mean you need to default to a book that believes in unicorns, dragons, a man living inside a fish for 3 days, invisible people flying around with wing on ("angels"), etc.