Tell an Australian what the argument is against building a border wall.

It wouldn't block access but it would force them through the gaps and once they make it through, they are greeted by the strong arm of the law! Basically the gaps would be very heavily monitored.

What wall?

 

There's no logical argument against building wall. But there are plenty of accusations and lots of name calling from the left, so you know we're pushing the right buttons when we talk about it.

 

Apparently Texas needs these Mexican illegals.

 

Look up the word context. No, I won't teach you the meaning but it is something you should understand as you strive to understand actual communications.

 

There are benefits to having the illegals. But the disadvantages outweigh the advantages.

 

There will be a lot of construction work in the wake of Hurricane Harvey.

 

In what context does "put a Walton in a federal prison" make even the remotest bit of sense?

 

What does you being a hard working dem have to do with the vast majority of construction projects in the US throughout history being built by dems?

 

No, I'm clinging to The US Government Accountability Office FACTS.

I would've thought that you could've picked up on it, but I accidentally re-posted that paragraph in full, when I only meant to post the first half. And it is this half that you didn't respond to. Here it is again:

"For the sake of argument, imagine a city that had an illegal immigrant population of a majority of minors but this city also had the highest total number of illegal immigrants in the country, then of course this won't have any bearing on the crime rate. However, imagine a city which has an illegal immigrant population of a majority of adults who arrived in the country as adults. This city also has the LOWEST total number of illegal immigrants in the country. The immigrants who are committing most of the crime aren't minors or even minors who grew up in the country, its the ones who arrived as adults. And this is not able to be measured unfortunately."

Also, by yours and the media's logic, if citizen criminals only stole bags of candy and non citizens raped and murdered, the citizens would be worse just because they committed more crime, just as the studies show. Its a bullshit argument. Not to mention, these studies do not properly or exclusively, separate legal immigrants from illegal aliens.

So you're under the impression that the GAO reports simply look at how many non-citizens are in the total prison population? You are badly mistaken. They specifically look at illegal aliens. How did you get that so wrong? I thought that it was pretty clear. If you spent 15 minutes of your life reading about it, then you didn't do a very thorough job. And specifically regarding Mexico, the 2011 report showed that sixty-eight percent of 251,000 criminal aliens in federal prison and 66 percent in state prisons were from Mexico!

Look, I'm not saying that there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to show that illegal aliens commit more serious crime than citizens, but equally, there is not an overwhelming amount of evidence to show that they commit less! Either way, it matters not, because they are illegal regardless and must be deported. It will reduce crime and even if by only 0.1%, then of course it is worth it! That's potentially one less rape, or one less murder. You see, its a VERY EASY solution to reducing crime - get rid of people who aren't your citizens as some of them will be criminals. In fact, its the easiest solution that there is!

What study and letter are you talking about? The only thing from Heritage Foundation which I've referred to was an article, not a study. Within the article, the GAO reports were cited.

What garbage? The article, study or letter?

How the hell do you know that?

Okay, so in the above quote, you started off by saying that "Corporate Media includes fringe media like Fox News." Then you go on to say that "Corporate Media is all the Media that responds to Corporate Interests." So then Fox News is Corporate Media and as such, responds to 'Corporate interests', right? You're all over the place man!

If the Hilary email story was so good for profits then why did CNN & MSNBC barely cover it, even going so far as to cut off guests on programs when they brought it up? The reason is, while it would've been good for profits, it would've been VERY BAD for their CLEAR & BLATANT agenda to get Hilary elected. And I just LOVE how they failed and it was all for nothing! Its so satisfying!

You're saying that Fox, a BUSINESS has a NOT FOR PROFITS agenda! Don't you understand how ridiculous that is?

Okay, and the evidence is...? You DO actually realise that the investigation is still ongoing right?

Yeah of course none of them come to the US to commit crimes! However unfortunately some of them come to work and at the same time commit crimes! Its very simply really.

Yeah, and hopefully the pieces of sh*t get caught and spend the rest of their lives rotting away in a Mexican prison. An American who goes to Mexico for the sole purpose of committing a crime is definitely worse than a Mexican who enters the US illegally to work, no question about it! You see, I'm not saying that these American's are better than illegal aliens. So its a pointless argument to have with me!

Foreign racists? I'm not sure I raised any issue on this did I? What is a foreign racist? Foreign to who exactly?

What Social Security do illegal aliens received? This makes so sense to me because this surely means that the government is legitimising them as legal. Unless you mean social security from alien friendly states.

Well, if Australians were the vast majority of illegal immigrants pouring into a country, then I would have NO problem whatsoever if someone said that!

Now THAT'S what I can a red herring! Do you think that his 'racist base' would've liked it when he said that some of them are good people?

Trump wants to harm foreigners who are in the country LEGALLY?

Don't let my defense of Trump fool you into thinking that he is the reason that I have my opinions on illegal aliens! I had these opinions when Trump was still doing the Apprentice!

And don't let my defense of him fool you into thinking that I'm a Trump supporter! The man IS a pathological liar, no question! And he is a complete HOPELESS JOKE of a president! This we can definitely agree on!

So he only has one single policy? No foreign policies? You know, I could have sworn that he withdrew the US from the TPP. Or did I just dream that?

So you know for a fact that every single illegal alien comes into the US with a clean criminal record?
None of them have raped or murdered before? Wow, that's quite a claim. And when did I say that they are ALL pieces of sh*t?

Of course locals don't want agriculture jobs! Its become a foreign industry. Of course there was no one to fill that labour shortage that you referred to! There's been no work in the industry for so long because its been taken by aliens, no one even thinks to do it anymore. Everyone has been pushed out of the job market! Did no citizens want these jobs hundreds of years ago either?

Uh, illegal aliens. I'm assuming that you don't think the situation should remain the way it is currently. Unless you don't believe in the rule of law.

 

Then the demand isn't real (ie backed by market forces imputed in the product's or service's sales price)

 

I'll refute it.

Here you go.

Looks like Clinton is the candidate for "uneducated minorities" and Beyonce majors.

 

No, it has clearly SUCCEEDED! Clinton didn't become president! @drluggit

 

Wow this from CNN. What's the source page where you got that info-graphic? Were they at all responsible for spreading this myth? If so, I love the irony that they produced this poll!

I'm looking forward to the response from @tom444. However, we shouldn't expect a great deal, not after I confronted them with the fact that so called "poorly skilled" people actually build and maintain colleges! They attempted to suggest that "immigrants" were responsible for these builds! I love it! By the way, 'Beyonce majors?'

 

The demand STEM jobs is very real.

 

Only when employers want to pay less money for jobs. I know people that experienced Bill Clinton opening the flood gates for foreign IT workers back in 1999. Employers complained they couldn't find "qualified" people to fill the jobs, much the same as they do now regarding STEM jobs.

My brother and a friend were in school at the time (1999) for IT skills. My brother managed to get hired just before the flood gates were fully opened. My friend was still in school and couldn't find employment at all. Before the flood gates opened, IT workers were being hired at approximately $50,000/yr. After the flood gates opened, then and since then, IT workers are paid nearly half that for entry level IT. What is happening is employers complain they can't find people, but it's only people they want to work for low wages.

Steve

 

My company is having a hard time filling tech jobs even when the are offering 6 figures. It isn't just the low paying jobs, and it isn't just about what they "want" to pay.

 

That's gotta be BS. Any techs available would jump at 6 figure jobs even if employed elsewhere.

Steve

 

Key word: "available." There aren't enough available, which is what I said to begin with. And many of them already ARE making six figures elsewhere.

 

I have a background as a tech myself, and you are BSing us. The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics has pay scales for every job in every market and there's NO MARKET that shows "techs" making 6 figures, or even close. Therefore, when a 6 figure job is offered then people change jobs.

Steve

 

I didn't say "techs". I said STEM jobs. Software engineers. Database architects. Software architects. UX architects. UI developers. Sys admins. Hell, even some of my fellow content strategists are breaking six figures with English degrees thanks to tech demands.

 

You're changing the subject to fit your argument. Now you're just a making a fool of yourself, as usual.

Steve

 

Keep America going, bring in more immigrants!

 

Do you know what the "T" in STEM stands for? I am talking about tech jobs, technology jobs, like the ones I listed. Not technician jobs, which are apparently what you are talking about.

 

"In the 2016 election, a wide gap in presidential preferences emerged between those with and without a college degree. College graduates backed Clinton by a 9-point margin (52%-43%), while those without a college degree backed Trump 52%-44%. This is by far the widest gap in support among college graduates and non-college graduates in exit polls dating back to 1980. For example, in 2012, there was hardly any difference between the two groups: College graduates backed Obama over Romney by 50%-48%, and those without a college degree also supported Obama 51%-47%."

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...s-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/

 

Science, technology, engineering and mathematics.

Do you have a clue what I was talking about? Employers who complain they can't find people to fill their jobs aren't offering enough money for anyone to even change jobs for christ's sake. So they beg politicians to open the foreign flood gates. Then wages drop.

Steve