Was Hillary's loss result of campaigning in error?

She won the popular vote, more voters wanted her to be President than Trump, that is no lie and saying it is such is demonstrably fake news.

This thread is another part of the ongoing Republican effort to "prove" that America wanted Trumpism, that Trump won by anything other than the fact that most of the Democrat's stayed home whereas almost all of the Republicans came out. You hope that we'll turn around, think that "America has changed" and become Nazi even lighter to your Nazi Lite. Should that happen then we WILL see another 4 years of Der Fueher, and probably his enshrinement as President-For-Life in 2024.

Bullshit, Trump's Agenda lost even though he won. His inability to push even any small part of it through a Congress controlled by "his" party has made that clear, to anyone but the God-Emperor's Worshipful and Obedient Sycophants.

 

What personal insult? Given the mindset you display here I'd thought you'd be proud to be considered a strict disciplinarian. I am sorry, however you raise your children is your affair and no doubt tempered with enough love that is doesn't really matter what you do.

I still defy you to find even one soldier, or even devoted tourist for that matter, who has not embellished his or her travels at one point or another. Unfortunately we live in an age of partisanship. I guess I will soon be arrested for fraud after saying my wife is still the prettiest girl in the world when everyone knows Jennifer Lawrence just won that award.

 

The more it is investigated, the more ineligible votes come to the surface. Hilary may have won the popular vote but certainly not by the margins this known liar is claiming. If you actually believe her, shame on you.

 

One soldier who has not embellished? Me and the majority of my fellow veterans. You would not know this as any veteran worth his salt would never discuss this with such as you.

By the way, you deciding what my "mindset" is when you have never met me, only made assumptions based on your own bias is another reportable statement.

One more and you get reported, and that is only because I only feel insulted by those who have a modicum of my respect. You do not.

 

How is it Hillary is still a topic?

Was NIXON a topic for so long after his 1960 loss and corrupted votes in Chicago and Texas.

How about Al Gore and the peculiar circumstances in Florida as well as a popular vote winner I think.


How is it Hillary is a topic?
The election is over and she lost, fair and square per the Constitution.
Come to think of it, Hillary's loss was certainly more Fair & Square than NIXON or Gore.
So, why is Hillary a topic?

 

I must have said this a dozen times; she's still a topic because she keeps herself in the news. As she keeps herself in the news, she stays a current event that people post on and discuss whether anyone likes it or not.

I dunno, most people like her would go away and drink themselves into oblivion after suffering a loss such as this. Then again, she's been pickled for so long she's likely used to it.

 

You've gratuitously insulted me twice in this post alone, but it would serve no purpose to report you as you've just gone on my ignore list anyway

 

Hillary's loss is still a topic because Republicans think they can use it to convince Democrats that "America" is not composed of the people in it but the beliefs of their own vociferous and vicious minority and that this mythological "America" has turned against the Democrats and the Democratic Agenda in favor of them. They say this DESPITE the indisputable fact that more voters wanted Hillary to be President than wanted Trump.

Very few leftists I talk to even want to bring Hillary up but is it offensive to hear the constant and unending vilification Republicans are still visiting on her long after there is any reason to continue these unsupportable calumnies

Trump won the Election, no question, but Trump's and the Republican's AGENDA, lost it. It is the REPUBLICANS who will not face this and all this "Butthurt" Bullshit is just their vulgar way of saying it. They have not passed even one small part of their plans to "Make America Great Again" and this is despite having majorities in both Houses and a Forceful, (admittedly not very competent or experienced and sometimes bizarre but undeniably forceful) advocate in the White House. Instead they ignore the fact that the American people are mobilizing against them as I have scarcely seen them rise against anyone in a fairly long lifetime, and simply continue saying, "**** you, we won" as if they still can't believe it themselves.

Hillary is still a topic because she should have been President and Trump, more and more manifestly, should not. This has happened before, many times, but it is seldom so obvious and has never done so much egregious and irrevocable harm to our country as it happening now. We must get rid of Trump by the most immediate legal means possible and failing that, must quarantine our country from this evil and dishonest traitor's baleful influence by electing as many Democrats as are running in 2018. This will not happen if we listen to the Republicans and turn against the agenda that DID indeed win in 2016 and is the only one we can win with next November.

 

By insult do you mean told you the truth, which you are unaccustomed to hearing?

As for going on your ignore list, two things.

You addressed me first and second that is the reaction to one who knows that he is wrong on every count but is afraid to admit it.

 

Hillary's loss is a topic primarily because she refuses to leave the limelight. She's an attention whore who can't get up in the morning without announcing to the world she's still out there and won't go away. What happened to grandmas who just want to spend quality time with their kids during the day??

The other reason is that the Democratic base is still in denial over her loss. One would expect to see topics from leftist liberals trying to discuss what went wrong and how to make the Democratic Party relevant again. You know, some serious self reflection on how the Democrats lost middle America. What do we get instead?? Mindless posts screaming that Hillary won the popular vote, and conservatives just don't get it. You're just as guilty of keeping Hillary a topic as any conservatives here.

On a last note, if you want to see Hillary references go away, stop making excuses for her. You call her snafus "mistakes", when in fact her actions are calculated lies designed to further her personal agenda. You've asked how she'd lied, and have been given pages worth. There is no excuse for continuing to pound the "mistake" drum. Yet you remain in denial as to her indisputable dishonesty and absence of integrity.

Her only "mistakes" have been getting caught. Just ask her............

 

This This This.

They will play the nonsensical "popular vote" card for years until they tucker out.

 

Yeah.

But, in the end, it doesn't really matter.

Hillary lost. End of story.

I am sure if you looked hard enough around Texas you could find a handful of people still obsessing over Coke Stevenson's loss to Landslide Lyndon in the '48 Senate race.

 

She failed to address the right issues, failed to counter much of what was said against her, failed to counter the Trump Effect, and failed to mitigate her past failures. A good part of that could probably be summed up as a fatal underestimation of Trump's appeal; she was evidently out of touch with the electorate and either had the wrong advisers or failed to listen to them during her campaign. We also know she failed to get out there in key states and talk to people. She ran like an aloof politician against a guy who, despite his fortune, sold himself as a man of the people who was going to look out for the people (using and adding to the sense of separation between the electorate and the government such as it had been).

She had no appropriate message for the time and failed to demonstrate a good record that could convince the people that she would serve them.

Then there were the scandals, amplified of course by Russian interference via fake news and social media trolling.

 

I replaced Trump with Obama and noticed, with a few omissions of your post, a remarkable similarity between 2016 and 2008.

Until Hillary realizes she's repeating history, she'll never understand why she lost. As long as the Democrats as a whole fail to realize it, they'll never understand why they're doomed to lose.

 

I think the Democrats are slowly coming around, at least as far as realizing that their messaging so far has been a dismal flop. I'm not sure there is any one direction they can go that will succeed, though. They're too invested in their race baiting and victim culture, I fear, to move away from that, and a lot of people won't stomach Sanders' brand of socialism, either. What can they do but weakly mimic Donald Trump's populist message? They've got nothing. Maybe that will change in time, but I really just can't imagine where they could go that would bring them a win. Maybe if Donald really fails or royally screws up somehow, or Mueller ends up taking him down, they will at least have an opening and could win by default, so to speak, but otherwise, I just don't know. Having come in at rock bottom in so many ways, Donald can only go up or fail utterly, so I doubt people will hate him too much by the end of his first term is, again, he doesn't screw up too bad.

 

You are simply lying.

Also, just because she was not convicted of anything does not mean that she won't be. She can still be prosecuted.

 

Hillarys loss was a result of her running for President, nothing more. Besides, didn't Bill claim we got 2 for 1 when he was elected? So she served two terms already, and that was enough, more than enough in many voters opinion apparently.

 

The one where Hillary wins in a landslide.

 

Where is my lie, tell me what I lied about?

Anyone can be prosecuted, that doesn't mean they will be convicted. You might want to look up and understand the difference between prosecuted and persecuted btw.

 

Which fantasy reality?
Won by a landslide and lost the election or
just won by a landslide?


Sanders could have beat Trump.
Hillary lost on the "trust" issue on so many counts.
White, working people simply do not trust her sense of honesty and to look out for their economic welfare too.
Working people realize Hillary's idea of welfare, like Obama, is to tax the working people more to pay for more generous welfare while sparing the Wall St. crowd who finance Obama / Hillary.

Hillary lost because of Hillary.
Not the Russians, the DNC nor Sanders.

Moi

 

Hard to say who would have won between Trump and Sanders. It would have been close.

Trump also didn't go all out against Sanders, he saved that for Hillary.

Bernie would have had the advantage of not having Hillary's baggage.

 

I think Sanders might of beat Trump. I liked the guy and feel in the force that he actually believes what he says. I like that.

 

Make that 'should be'.

 

Exactly WHAT is it the Russians are accused of having done that had any effect on the election?
Perhaps someone should create a poll question asking if their vote was changed as a result of something done or said by Russia.
Most of my immediate friends are Europeans, and none of them had anything good to say about Hillary so should that nullify my vote?

 

He probably did (sincerity being overrated) but hes still wrong.

I welcome the debate in the US and wish lefties would come out of the marxist closet.