Trump rejects Freedom of Speech

i compliment him on his non-partisan acknowledgement of the facts

 

How about all the denial of free speech by all of the others like BLM and liberal universities? No comment on those, or are they acceptable?

 

Facts according to only you and your chosen comments that are entirely partisan. See your posting history.

 

#1. this thread is not about me so quit your trolling.

#2. After the incident in Virginia I reevaluated my stance on Antifa and decided that we in a civil society cannot tolerate physical force committed by non-law enforcement individuals against non-violent people.

 

LOL!!!

I am not responsible for the words & deeds of other Liberals.

Pretty dishonest and pathetic to say that I am.

 

(They have a pretty poor selection of emoji-things here.)

 

I made a mistake with my other post. This is what I meant to post.

 

Free speech rights are rightfully restricted in the workplace provided such restrictions don't go afoul of federal and state labor laws (e.g. comparing salaries or talking about discriminatory or unlawful treatment). If your -speech- puts the company in a bad light, reduces revenues, results in backlash from consumers, you will be subject to discipline, demotion, transfer, up to and including termination. This is entirely lawful. There is increasing evidence that such protests by players are harming the NFL's and individual teams' revenues.

This is not a "Free Speech" issue, but a contractual one, provisions in both individual contracts with players and the collective bargaining agreements negotiated between the league, players and teams are legally relevant here, and likely not the First Amendment.

 

Not trolling when I take advantage of my free speech, which it seems you want to deny.

Second, you still speak only of antifa but still seem to exempt all of the others, especially liberals who want to deny free speech to any who oppose them.

Interesting.

Yet you fail to denounce them for the same actions that you oppose from antifa. Now that is dishonest. Very liberal of you.

 

The demonstrations by the NFL players and others is not related to the 1st amendment in any way, or form. When you are speaking on someone else's time and dime your rights are only what that someone says they are.

 

Until your avatar picture ceases desecrating the U.S. flag I shall have you on ignore. That's MY citizen's freedom in action. Some garbage from leftists I shall not put up with.

 

That is very bad. But given that Liberals are much more likely to punish people for their speech, Trump is the lesser evil.

 

Horrible situation, but in my opinion statistically many more Liberals are against Free Speech.

 

Fortunately some Liberals are still Liberal, but they are now a minority. I appreciate them. Most Liberals are not.

I agree with Liberals on many economic issues. But most Liberals have nothing in common with Liberals of 1964.

 

Fake news/false OP claim.

What Trump ACTUALLY said:

“Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that son of a bitch off the field right now, out, he’s fired. He’s fired!’,” Trump said. “You know, some owner is gonna do that. He’s gonna say, ‘That guy disrespects our flag, he’s fired.’"

 

If I were any of these owners or managers, I would respect the players personal decisions on this, as a fairly benign and short lived expression of individual opinion and allow 'reasonable accommodation' , but this is paid time, not personal time and they are wearing their employers uniform in front of a lot of customers and as such are supposed to reflect the values of their employer.

We do not have a right to say what we please or protest as we please on our employers dime, and I don't want an America where we do. I think this should not become an entitlement we are used to, at the workplace.

On the other hand, ask me what I think of employers who discipline hourly employees for their behavior off the clock and off the premises and you will hear an earful. Respect the employer on his time and his property, and he should respect his worker on his time, off premise.

 

I wonder why someone in the position of president would bring it up and bring it up in the way he did. Not that presidential I think.

 

The problem with free speech is that it applies to the speech which you find most objectionable. And that applies, no matter what the underlying issue. That said, there is a time and place to exercise one's free speech, and while at a job is neither the time nor the place.

Yup. It's good to remember that even presidents have the right to express an opinion.

Excellent post. Like I said, being supportive of free speech is a very tough thing. It involves thinking up the most vile, inappropriate thinking on a subject, and supporting a person's right to give voice to that opinion. Not an easy thing to do.

Perhaps the NFL code of conduct needs to be modified to state that a player will stand silently during the playing of the national anthem. If any player has a problem with that policy, they are free to leave.

Exactly. There's a time and a place to express one's opinion. Most people don't object to someone not wishing to show respect to our national symbols, they object to someone believing that they have the right to subject fans of a sport they play in to witness their protestations. It's a bit much.

There it is.

Yes. I'm a bit surprised that the NFL hasn't clarified this for all its players.

 

Does a man have the freedom of speech to tell his female boss that she has the most wonderful chest he's ever seen?

 

From my perspective being presidential is DC codespeak for being willing to sell your country out to the highest bidder. That's all it ever meant.

Screw being presidential!

 

As long as they work in a furniture store, it's okay.

 

So we cant offend women at work, but we can offend our flag and service members who fought and died to defend it?

I don't think so!

 

Preaching to the choir, but I think the NFL's in a tight spot, and trying to tread a thin line to piss off the minimum number of people.

If they could mandate no protests without setting off a player revolt, they'd probably do that.

Or if they could stop playing the anthem - - without setting off a spectator revolt, they might do that.

As it is, walking a tightrope...

 

Our decisive President has always looking to get his name in the news. It's his thing. Ok as a reality TV guy.
He's likely to run his mouth too much and start a war.
Definitely not Presidential material ..........

Oh well..........we'll recover from this idiot even if the worst happens.

As always the pendulum will swing way over and the next President will instill respect the office should have.

Trump will be remembered but not as he would have hoped to............a mess he only has himself to blame.

 

Yeah, he should stick to calling NBA players in the locker room to congratulate for coming out of the closet, like good presidents do, I take it.