Planned Parenthood: “We'll only give you an ultrasound if you get an abortion”

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Planned Parenthood to women: “We'll only give you an ultrasound if you have an abortion”

    Planned Parenthood continues to claim it offers comprehensive healthcare to women in the community, not simply just abortions. Yet this latest debacle confirms what we already knew
    (The whole core of their existence is abortions).

    In the following video, women trying to schedule ultrasounds at various PP offices nationwide are repeatedly told the only way they're going to get an ultrasound is if they're having an abortion:




    Well I guess those Pro-Life vans offering women mobile ultrasound services really are offering women something Planned Parenthood's not.

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    Yeah....almost as weird as not offering an MRI to someone with a broken arm. You do understand what they do there....right? An ultrasound is expensive and PP is not her Doctor.
     
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    Here's the most asinine statement yet : """the only way they're going to get an ultrasound is if they're having an abortion:""


    And the OP won't answer the PERTINENT OBVIOUS question:

    WHYTF would PP give a woman an ultrasound if she wanted an abortion and why would the woman want an ultrasound ????

    Total FAKE and PHONY story....and as preposterous as all his other threads..

    ....and it gets worse:

    OP: """Planned Parenthood continues to claim it offers comprehensive healthcare to women in the community, not simply just abortions. Yet this latest debacle confirms what we already knew
    (The whole core of their existence is abortions)."""

    What "debacle" ?"???WHERE was there a "DEBACLE" because someone lied about what PP does? WHERE was the debacle?


    No, that isn't proof in any way, shape or form that abortion is the "core of their existence".


    NOW can you explain why it shouldn't be?

    Are you aware DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH that abortion is legal so it doesn't matter ???
     
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  5. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You don't think it's reasonable to, say, I dunno, offer to let the woman see what's growing in there before she makes the decision to get an abortion??
    PP does ultrasounds all the time. But it's usually so the doctor knows how far along the woman is so he knows what type of procedure to do, or sometimes to guide the instruments while they're doing it. They usually don't show the ultrasound to the woman.
     
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    So you think women are so stupid they don't know what they're pregnant with?

    Really? Boy , when you hit the real world , complete with women , you'll be in for a shock......and you won't like it....



    and what has that to do with YOUR “We'll only give you an ultrasound if you have an abortion

    NOTHING





    Who are you addressing? Afraid to use the quote feature?
     
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  7. GrayMan

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    Planned Parenthood is saving the world from over population. Now we just need to start building them in the middle east, Africa and other non-white countries since we successfully started the depopulation of whites.
     
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    I don't understand your "we successfully started the depopulation of whites""

    because I don't know who your "we" is or what it has to do with the freedom to have an abortion.


    And YES, it would be nice to have abortion clinics available for all women especially the poor in other countries. BUT Republicans do NOT want aid to poor countries to include abortion so you have them to fight.
     
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    We is Western Society. I don't know about killing living things being a freedom but I guess if it is legal it is a freedom... i just think abortion benefits society. Unfortionately it mostly keeps liberals from reproducing. Conservatives and traditionalist types reproduce at a greater rate. Progressives are getting good at converting traditionalist conservative children to the left but classical liberals are a dying breed because they dont produce and dont convert as often as their authouritarian progressive brotheren.
     
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    So you don't eat...OK (shrug)...and I see you're against all wars and capital punishment...


    The rest of your post is political twaddle but you're welcome to your opinion...

    ..and you ignored the quite pertinent:

    And YES, it would be nice to have abortion clinics available for all women especially the poor in other countries. BUT Republicans do NOT want aid to poor countries to include abortion so you have them to fight.


    ...and then back to the topic??
     
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    PP doesn't offer ante-natal care, which is why pregnant women are only offered an ultrasound as part of their abortion care.
    It's quite simple.
     
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    OP, so why doesn't every PP clinic do abortions and why do they see 2.4 million clients a year, yet do under 400,000 abortions per year?
     
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    2 previsits, the abortion, and two post visits? They do STDs also. Spread the love.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some of those women might come in thinking they're pregnant. Plus they double count a lot of those women. That's not 2.4 million different women walking through their doors, that's just 2.4 million times a woman walks through. A lot of times when a woman comes in she has to come back later. For example, when they insert a laminaria in her cervix to dilate her.
     
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    Oh they produce.
    They just cull the herd before it's out of the gates.

    That's ultimately what did in the South too. The population you oppress can't vote, therefore those states had less representation.
     
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    I must be missing something. If I was concerned about the health of my fetus, I would not go to planned parenthood to 'check things out', I would go to my OBGYN's office and see what they recommended, because that is where the best medical experts would be, for a prenatal check-up. While I might get some very basic information from a planned parenthood clinic on wellness, but they would not be able to provide an in-depth reading and understanding of that ultra-sound and they sure would not be able to justify offering an ultrasound that they were not capable of fully using.

    PP uses it to see where the fetus is located, and how far along it is, because those represent their needs to do their work. That means that they are probably not so hot at doing much more than that. I see major liability concerns having them draw more conclusions from that image than they are experienced at making routinely along with a possible working diagnosis if it does not look good.

    Nope. Its a bad plan for them to provide that 'service' if they can only do it half assed.
     
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    The issue is PP doesn't give women the option to be able to see their fetus before they make the decision. They have to pay for an abortion first.
    PP has apparently tried to downplay the fact that they're all about abortion by claiming they offer comprehensive healthcare that women need. Their website, perhaps a bit misleadingly, says they offer ultrasounds and elsewhere explains that ultrasounds are part of routine prenatal care. What it doesn't explicitly tell women is that they'll need to go somewhere else to receive that necessary care.



    It's kind of like that whole "3 percent" myth.
     
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    So what if some women do mistakenly believe PP provide ante-natal ( pre-natal) care?

    They don't and don't claim to. They provide sexual health care. which includes contraception and STI screening, as well a abortions and advice.

    There are other places women should go for their comprehensive ante-natal care, which involves much more than a scan.
     
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    PP provides abortions, why wouldn't they be able to read an ultrasound if that's what they need for an abortion...WTF are you going on about ??????


    ...Who exactly do you think works at PP clinics? Local high school kids after school let's out?

    Any "problems " are reference out...the patients need not worry....
     
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    What's that got to do with your lie , """“We'll only give you an ultrasound if you have an abortion”"""
     
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    I see you are unable, as usual, to answer post #3 or post 6 so I guess you know how wrong you are but keep posting anyway.















    Here's another stupid statement "PP has apparently tried to downplay the fact that they're all about abortion""
    VERY ignorant.

    PP doesn't need to downplay abortion...it's legal ..happily and wonderfully it's LEGAL:nana:

    ...and NO, they aren't all about abortion, they offer other services and if they don't have a certain service reference out patients JUST LIKE ANY OTHER CLINIC....

    It would be good if one of these woman haters could explain why PP should have to provide every service in the medical world when no other doctor , clinic, hospital, medical facility does...
     
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    Can ANYONE OUT THERE explain that post? Anyone??


    Anyone know what relationship it has to anything much less the TOPIC???????????????
     
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    It's a reference to American history.

    produce = reproduction has already taken place
    out of the gates = analogy for coming out of the womb
     
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    It makes no sense and has no point but golly wolly , YOUaddressed a POST! WOW! ( But it does beg the question , WHOSE American history ? :) )
     
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    I think they are perfectly 100% competent to read those ultrasounds for the purposes that they normally use them for, which is positioning and determining a due date or gender as described in the video, or any normal routine purpose in their normal wheelhouse. But they are not usually using them from the same purposes that a OBGYN clinic might, and they are not likely to have the same experience level at diagnosing potential problems, even if they were trained, because diagnosis is not what they do 8 hours every day. Its not a slam on them at all. I am on your side on this.
     
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