Protesters cover UVA’s Thomas Jefferson statue in black shroud

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  1. Ethereal

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    I've read a lot about slavery, especially slavery at Monticello. Jefferson was generally considered a gentle master who did not like to use corporal punishment. Granted, he acceded to its occasional implementation, but only grudgingly as a necessary evil. I've also read dozens of firsthand accounts from actual slaves, many of whom expressed genuine love and affection for their masters. But they don't teach you about that side of southern slavery in the PC education system, because then it would undercut the "south is irredeemably evil" narrative we've been fed by Yankee propagandists.

    And here's a question for you: If Sally Hemings was so desperate to get back to her family, even if it meant getting raped for the rest of her life, then why did she tell Jefferson she would only return to the USA with him if he agreed to emancipate any children they had? Doesn't this necessarily imply that she was perfectly willing to remain in France if Jefferson did not agree to her conditions?
     
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    It was rape. Serial rape.
     
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    His views were that the USA and the indigenous people should have peaceable relations. That may or may not have been a realistic viewpoint, but it was his viewpoint. He certainly never advocated for their wanton extermination.

    As for your accusation of serial rape, I believe that has been rebutted quite substantially by the evidence.
     
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    Do you think repeating this over and over again will make it more persuasive?
     
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    I hope this thread can deepen your understanding of why this technicality is of little relevance. :)
     
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    We have no idea what it meant; you're grasping at straws.

    Lolita may have loved Humbert and/or Quilty.

    This does not make them less than serial rapists.
     
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    Segregation seems to be most people's culture judging by the communities and neighborhoods they voluntarily participate in.
     
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    His viewpoint was genocidal.

    He was a serial rapist.

    Nothing you have said in any way refutes this. :)
     
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    The college students must be really ugly at a lot of these schools lately...what happened to partying and hooking up? :blushes:
     
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    It's not a technicality. It's an important fact of law. Hemings was not a slave in France. She was 100% free and she knew it. Yet she chose willingly to return to the USA with Jefferson.
     
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    You endlessly repeat your points, dubious as they are.

    I respond to them sensibly.

    We can continue this, or you can present meaningful evidence. :)
     
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    I hope you can gain deeper understanding regarding this matter. :)
     
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    Then allow me to explain it for you: Hemings was perfectly willing to remain in France, away from her family, if Jefferson did not meet certain conditions. Jefferson agreed to her conditions, so she returned with him. That's called a "choice" and would be viewed as such in both the ethical and legal sense of the word.
     
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    Can you provide a quote of Jefferson advocating for the genocide of native Americans?

    I realize you want this to be true, but it isn't supported by a shred of evidence. In fact, the evidence soundly refutes this allegation.
     
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    There is no need. My understanding of it is more than sufficient.
     
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    My points are supported by evidence and logic. Yours are not. That pretty much sums it up.
     
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    I'm not sure you're fully understanding the nature of slavery, coercion and rape, but you make some good points. :)

    Nonetheless, Jefferson was a genocidal, slave-holding pedophile and serial rapist. :(
     
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    We can agree to disagree on this as well as other points raised here. :)
     
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    He was not any of those things.
     
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    Okeydoke.
     
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    We must agree to disagree on this as well. :)
     
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    Incorrect.

    But should we add incestuous as well?
     
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    You would have to substantiate your original claims before adding anything to them.

    I asked you to provide a quote of Jefferson advocating for genocide. Apparently you cannot find one.
     
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    Jefferson believed that the indigenous peoples of this nation should be "pursued to extermination" among other famous quotes advocating for their slaughter or removal from their land; surely you're not in denial of this as well? :eek:

    As far as his serial rapes, these are facts.

    Why you persist in denying proven reality is beyond me. :(
     
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    Sorry - I was away from my device; see above. :)

    Perhaps if you read up on Jefferson you'd be more familiar with his genocidal views and rapes?

    Good luck! :)
     

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