Alejandro Villanueva Defies Steelers’ Anthem Protest, Takes Field Hand Over Heart

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  1. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your side deported more hombres than the right wing during Obama's entire 8 years.
     
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    Accusing everyone of racism. Don’t see pathetic liberals doing that every day.
     
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    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The flag is meant to: Honor those that served and their families, bring us together as a nation.
    The anthem is meant to: Inspire hope in Americans, bring us together as a nation.

    To protest those two things is your right, but you are a fool and it is un-American.
     
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    How exactly could they have stopped him? Imagine that news headline...

    "Steelers suspend former Army Ranger and 3 time war veteran for choosing to stand for National Anthem instead of remaining in locker room as instructed".

    Good luck. That team would have an unfathomable amount of hell to pay from the media if they tried to pull that.
     
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    If this is meant as a joke, it is really not cool: you're poisoning the well of debate. If you're serious, then consider that you might be part of the problem, not the solution - anyone who reflexively sees the other side's actions as bad is just going to increase divisions.
     
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    Alejandro did not defy anybody.

    He did what he thought was right.

    Just as did his team mates.
     
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    Neither did he.
    He wants to ban countries that train terrorists or those we cant vette... Can you explain why North Korea is on his list if its just about Muslims as you claim? Do you have any idea how many Muslim majority countries are NOT on the list?

    He is stoking no such thing...

    Sites like Salon lie to you.... wake up.
     
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    I repeat its grandstanding for personal gain.
     
  9. Denizen

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    Right after members of Trump's family.
     
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    Trump?
     
  11. Brit

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    Of course!
     
  12. Denizen

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    The solution to this problem is to stop signing the anthem at sports games. It really has no relevance to a sport, except perhaps the sport of shooting people.
     
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    I don't expect a foreigner to appreciate the patriotism of Americans so your advice is not unexpected
     
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    Well, this thread is another excursion into the pavlovian mental universe of the American voter. Both left and right wing posters making judgments about this one man based on what they are projecting on to him. Turns out he didn't plan to be out there for the anthem. It was all a mistake & he's a bit embarrassed by it. Not a 'hero', not 'grandstanding', just in the wrong place at the wrong time.


    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ttsburgh-steelers-star-spangled-a7967341.html

    It also turns out he has a nuanced, though out position on the whole 'taking a knee' issue -most people here could learn a lesson in maturity from his approach. he disagreed with Kaepernick on tactics, but agrees on the reasons he protested:

    He also doesn't think kneeling necessarily shows disrespect to veterans. Of course, he has actually served rather than just typing angrily on a keyboard.


     
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    Meh, such is the pressure from SJWs to conform to their virtue signaling.
     
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    Because Aghanistan was and is such a threat to our freedom?
     
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    You are a poster child for the sort of ideological blindness that is destroying America.

    A man who did multiple tours of duty & is an elite athlete makes a series of clear statements about his actions & motivations & you can't take him at his word. You have to imply that somehow a person who it is safe to assume is both braver, more talented & wealthier than you is somehow caving in to pressure & being dishonest. You can't process that this man has an intelligent, nuanced view of events so you pretend he is lying to conform with a bogeyman of your own making.

    Says everything about you & nothing about him.
     
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    That ideology is not blindness. It is what made America such a great nation. Losing that ideology is what is destroying us. You and the other SJWs out there have no clue what is destroying America. Or, worse yet, you see what has made America great, and are purposefully trying to destroy it. Without nationalism and patriotism, nations do not exist for long. Sure, you have the right to spit on the sacrifices the military has made, but in doing so, you are helping to destroy what protects that very right. Not honoring the flag during the national anthem is exactly the same as spitting on our military men and women coming home from war. It only takes a couple minutes to do, but in those couple of minutes, all americans present at the anthem can reflect and silently thank all of those who preserved our rights and freedoms. You shouldnt be standing "blindly" during the anthem. Take time to think.
     
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    This post tells me you didn't properly read either of my posts. That doesn't really surprise me given the content. Reading is hard. Shouting is easy.

    Go back and read what Villanueva said about kneeling during the anthem. He has a grown up take on this. You do not.

    Reducing the many complexities of a vast nation that are embodied in its symbols to 'the military' is infantile and authoritarian. The idea that there is only one way to be a patriot is the exact opposite of the freedoms people in uniform fight for. My grandfather fought people who believed that. His brother spent 3 years in a living hell watching his friends die at the hands of people who believed that. They weren't much interested in reading & understanding opposing views either.
     
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    So, you spit on their memory. Wonderful. This is why America is in trouble. Just because you have the right to burn flags, etc, doesn't mean you should.
     
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    LOL, he apologized for not communicating with his teammates so more could join him and that is what he was embarrassed about. Certainly not how it is being reported.
     
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    Please post the video you have of what he said that contradicts what's been reported - including him saying that he supports his teammates who take a knee.
     
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    Coach and his team mates said Villanueva could do what he did without any flack from them.
     
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    The ungratefull overpaid teammates should be apologizing to him for their disrespect toward America
     
  25. JakeStarkey

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    Nope, Mac-7, Villanueva and his team mates as well as Jerry Jones and his coaches and his players are real America.
     

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