Will USA Military If Ordered Fire On Americans

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  1. Josh77

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    lol, what does that even mean? You think a few thousand dollars will cause an American to shoot on his countrymen? You obviously have zero respect for the core values of our military. Soldiers in the US military are not monsters. They are not mafia hit men.
     
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    They wouldn't have to shoot to kill. I watched a film quite recently about when the US military decided to dispense with horses; the opening scene showed a public demonstration about something (can't remember what it was) and the army riders were ordered to quell the demonstrators, not kill them. In other words quelling can be as effective as killing?
     
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    Yes, the military in the past have opened fire on American civilians.

    It will do so again if ordered.
     
  4. Professor Peabody

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    That was a different era. I doubt anyone in the Military today would fire on their fellow citizens, especially knowing how many guns are out there and how vulnerable their own families would be if they did.
     
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    I guess you really have no choice but to shoot to kill if you want to protect the constituion and the country. If we analyse events in history, whenever soldiers refused to shoot demonstrators the government eventually collapsed. The system has usually been changed for worse. The Chinese showed the world how to do it. If some of those idiots turn up in front of the tank, just run them over. I fully understand why the Chinese did it. Either that or complete anarchy.
     
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  6. Lesh

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    You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

    Wiki is your friend. Look up Bonus Army.
     
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    The military wouldn't follow orders when told they are fighting terrorists?

    Hell yea they would
     
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  8. JakeStarkey

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    Professor, the Army put down riots in the sixties, with loss of life.

    The military today would do the same, and, no, their families are not vulnerable at all.
     
  9. Stevew

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    The National Guard is not the U.S. Army. Don't insult the Army.

    Steve
     
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    There's a lot of misunderstanding about the roles of the military and law enforcement.

    1. Local police are hired by their communities, managed by their communities and are often required to live in their communities.
    2. The National Guard is very similar to local police except they are on a state-wide scale.
    3. The U.S. Military is currently a volunteer force that made the decision to defend their country. They are managed by the President.

    Steve
     
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    Check which units put down the riots in Detroit and LA, Stevew.
     
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    There's a lot of misunderstanding about the roles of the military and law enforcement.

    1. Local police are hired by their communities, managed by their communities and are often required to live in their communities.
    2. The National Guard is very similar to local police except they are on a state-wide scale. Back in the 1960's people used to evade the draft by joining their state National Guard.
    3. The U.S. Military is currently a volunteer force that made the decision to defend their country. They are managed by the President.

    Steve
     
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    Do you seriously not know what the Bonus Army was?
     
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    That’s good. What do you think of the majority of commissioned officers (O-3 and above especially) though?

    I have confidence in our NCO’s though.
     
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    Yes.
     
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    Of course the military would turn on it's own people. They do what they're told. That's the problem. If they're told to go over seas and kill millions they will, and they won't care why. Just as they are doing right now, in the middle east, for Clinton, Bush, Obama, and now Trump. The military don't care about the truth, they just kill when told to.
     
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    That MIGHT have been the case right after WWII, but gradually over the years, the military has given individuals the "right" to think for themselves more and more. Not exactly a good thing for actual war, but the military is becoming yet another liberal social experiment.

    Steve
     
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    What about it? It was in the midst of the Great Depression almost 10 years before Pearl Harbor.
     
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    Thank you.

    In the 60s, the NGs could be federalized by the national government. Active US Army units were deployed to put down the riots in Detroit, and, also, I think, LA.

    The military will not disobey orders to put down civilian elements in rebellion.
     
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    BTW, it was the police who fired on the vets, killing two. The military didn't fire on nor kill anyone.
     
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    I know, right? Those idiots probably believe the earth is round, too!
     
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    The military will not be ordered to fire on Americans unless a military revolution is instigated and if that happens it will be quickly stifled. Even the red neck gun totin' cowboy KKK known this, which is why all they do is yell and hold their breath.
     
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    The primary threat to America are the extremist right-wing movements that are the primary threat of terrorism in the United States today surpassing even the Islamic terrorist threat. As we witnessed in Charlottesville it was a Neo-Nazi White Supremacist that used his car to commit a terrorist act injuring 19 people and killing one peaceful counter-demonstrator to the Neo-Nazi White Supremacists demonstration over preserving a statue to the treasonous armed insurrection against the Constitutional government of the United States by the Confederacy in 1861-1865.

    The threat to America has always been the radical right-wing extremists and not the liberals that support the US Constitution.

    Post Script - It should be noted that the Tea Party Nation, founded by Judson Phillips, is classified as a right-wing hate group because of Phillips' intolerance and advocacy of violence against liberals. It is the only major Tea Party organization labeled as a hate group but it's relatively well know that the early Tea Party town halls had in attendance members of the newly formed Alt-Right of Neo-Nazi White Supremacist Richard Spencer. The Tea Party was arguably an outgrowth of the earlier racist "Birther" movement that included Donald Trump as one of it's leaders along with convicted racist Joe Arpaio.
     
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    You really think "the military" would shoot on a crowd of women and children just because they were told the crowd was terrorists?
     
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    The 60s? You mean 50 years ago? Do you think nothing has changed since then?

    If someone said "Watch out for blacks. Every time they protest they burn down every store and building in the neighborhood. They did it in the sixties". Would you think that person a racist idiot or just an idiot?
     
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