WOW, eye-opening report from Scotland about kids who are sexually confused

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  1. sec

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    http://www.stonewallscotland.org.uk/sites/default/files/school_report_scotland_2017_1.pdf

    page 22 goes into the mental health statistics and cites that 96% of kids who pretend to be the opposite sex have harmed themselves. It also cites that 60% who have tried or want to try some gay-sex, have also harmed themselves. It's studies like this which clearly show that these deviant behaviors need to be cured. We cannot allow "well intentioned" folks to continue to tell children that it's OK to want some gay sex, or to claim you are different species or sex. Mental disorders must be treated as such. To do otherwise is tantamount to child abuse.
     
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    Didn't do a ot of reading there did ya? Included among those statistics were testaments of how much bullying, by peers AND teachers, these kids were getting. So you are shopping a major correlation/causation fallacy here. The next page shows where the same amount of kids were finding help online, which helped me them cope better. Of course that same page shows where they get a lot of cyber bullying as well. So until you show that bullying has been eliminated as a source of the distress leading to self harm, then you have no foundation for your argument.
     
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    It's gotten to where insutls is now "bullying"

    Do you think fat kids, ugly kids etc don't get "bullied"

    Do you see 96% or 60% harming themselves? It's your belief system that is hurting these kids. They need mental health help, not to be told that gay sex or acting like the opposite sex is normal.
     
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    Get cracking on those cures smart guy.

    So how do you treat homosexuality effectively?

    If you post any functional cure or treatment I'll gladly opt for it and report back to you. It has to have at least a 50% clinical success rate.
     
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    It's true that LGBT kids are more likely to self harm or attempt suicide, but it's not because of who they are it's because of who society tells them they are supposed to be but can't. It's because of the bullying, lack of acceptance, excommunication, and hateful response they receive from people who are supposed to love them. Luckily for me my family is kind, caring and loves me no matter what. Coming out wasn't traumatic for me like it is for so many people.

    And how exactly would you cure homosexuality assuming we even wanted that? At 33 I'm quite happy with who I am and would never accept your imaginary cure.
     
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    I'd be curious to see the 'self-harm' stats for LG people in the 1990's. I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest it's either about the same, or perhaps even less.

    In which case any argument that 'society' is to blame, falls down. Unless of course, those arguing think society is less tolerant today ... with legal gay marriage, wide-spread tolerance movements, high public exposure etc?
     
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    If 96% are self-harming, there is far more going on here than just 'bullying'. 96% of LG youth do not encounter difficulties with their family/community. Many have no problems with acceptance at all, in 2017.
     
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    I'd be more interested in seeing causation instead of assumptions that correlation equates to causation.
     
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    More unsupported claims from the queen of unsupported claims.

    I don't know why anybody engages with you. You never carry your burden of proof.
     
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    Very ignorant.
    Insults are a bullies tool.

    And it makes no matter what you are or do either.

    When I was young, I was thin, pale, not ugly, never, flaunted an orientation, I was just an ordinary boy.

    I was beaten, called gay, afag, homo, etc.....
    You can't blame the victim for a bullies acts.
    Rather blame the bully and punish said bully.

    Many bullies in my school K - 6 were left back a few grades and bigger and stronger and if they caught you alone in a bathroom, well I will not elaborate further.
     
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    Where are you sec?

    I'll happily take this homo cure if such a thing exists. Can I read about it? Any liturature? Any clinical trials?
     
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    It is bullying and fat kids, and ugly kids and kids who are different DO kill themselves because of it.
    I work with a number of gay clients who own multimillion dollar companies and are successful and confident. Why? They had good support in their younger years. Ain't rocket science.
     
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    I wouldn't ;)
     
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    I'm just calling a bluff
     
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    Haha I know :D
     
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    How can you way that when they are under attack every day from the right wing. How would you like to be told you're mentally ill because of who you are? How do you think that affects a young person?

    I would bet life for gays in some areas is as bad as it was in the 1950 - particularly in Republican-dominated regions - you know, where you find all of those loving christians who tie them to trees or fences, and stone them to death; that sort of thing.

    Being born sexually confused leads to depression. What a shock.
     
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    With all the crap kids are having to put up with these days, their undeveloped brains have so much to cope with we're going to have future generations of neurotics and substance abusers.
     
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    People don't kill themselves due to bullying, people kill themselves because they're predisposed to depression/suicide.

    Really don't like seeing this sort of misinformation bandied about by lay folk.
     
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    If kids are angsting over 'feelings', we're not keeping them busy enough. And everyone is 'under attack' for something, in the west. Our job (as parents) is to produce robust kids, who succeed regardless of the slings and arrows.

    I don't believe people are 'born sexually confused'.
     
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    You are quite wrong as studies have shown.
    http://www.bullyingstatistics.org/content/bullying-and-suicide.html

    What you believe is irrelevant to reality. People believed that the earth was the center of the universe with the sun going around it. Didn't make it real.
     
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    If bullying itself caused suicides/depression, half of humanity wouldn't survive their teen years.

    Bullying has always, and will always exist. It's reality. Not preparing our kids to deal with it is like not teaching them how to wipe their own behind.

    Look at the much maligned uber-nerds. They couldn't care less about being the target of considerable amounts of bullying. They're too busy studying and/or gaming to care what a bunch of dysfunctional, academic failures are doing.

    Essentially, if your kid arrives at high school dependent upon approval from his/her broader peer group, and with no ability to discern decent kids from troubled kids, you've failed as a parent. These are the kids who are the most vulnerable to, and the most easily damaged by bullying.
     
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    we don't know what causes depression. We can't say that it's homosexuality because there are people who are not homosexual who are depressed we can't say that it's bullying because there are people who are bullied that are not depressed. So any discussion on that sort of thing is fruitless.

    that's absurd of course they care. They aren't going to let it dictate their actions but to say they don't care you might as well say they enjoy it.

    Have you ever met a high schooler? The reality is they value their parents approval before anyone elses. If you don't have that you seek approval in other places.

    Isle of dream if you have children that live and die on the approval of peers you failed as a parent. That is not to say that peer approval is of no consequence. Such a philosophy would be sociopathic.
     
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    you can't cure "gayness" any more than you can cure left handedness or blue eyes.
     
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    There should be ZERO tolerance of Bully behavior.

    This boys will be boys, is just plain stupid.

    You do not tolerate rape, or any type of sexual abuse.

    Boys that go around beating up others or insulting others need to be counciled and corrected and if they do not cconorm to normal behavior with other children , sent to a special needs school.
     
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    Gay is not an illness and needs no "cure".
    In the stone age,
    Gay people kept it secret and in a way, better than suffering abuse at the hands of bigots.
     

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