Condoleezza Rice: NFL Players Must Voice Concerns Without 'Alienating' People

Yes really. You can see your typical white dotard demanding those people to be oppressed over their freedom of speech.

 

They can protest on their own time but not ours

And not in our faces

And not by insulting this great nation

Otherwise protest away

 

Your support and opinion is as worthy as anyone else's, just as long as it's honest. It doesn't even have to be 'right' or "wrong".

I'm just saying that the US on the point of SPONSERED ACTS OF PATRIOTISM is the same as any fascist nation. As I said, I have been to every Communist European country during the Cold War except for Belarus. Standing, pledging allegiance, singing, applauding, flags everywhere, portraits of the president, verbal support of patriotism ...... it's the same as in the US.

Ps. Note also the mandatory adjectives. Such as (above) "this great nation". Just saying "this nation" isn't good enough?

 

What does "your time" mean? Are you paying extra for the players to stand, put their hand over their hearts and act as though they're in love? How much does your ticket cost if the players remain in the locker room until the anthem is finished? Is it a substantial reduction?

 

One way or another the public pays every dollar that the players get

 

You don't pay them, so it aint on your time.

 

I think you know that's not true.

 

I know it is true

The NFL get money from ticket sales, souvenir sales such as jerseys and caps, and tv income from sponsors.

The sponsors base their participation strickly on the sales of their products to the public

Every cent that flows through thr NFL comes from the viewing public

 

So let's say that starting today, no one goes to an NFL stadium, no one watched on TV, and everyone stops buying NFL merchandise. What source of revenue is supporting the NFL now?

 

Because you care so little about this that you threw your 2 cents in, FYI those proceedings in Malaysia followed international law and protocol, and they were headed up by a US law professor with a conscience, Francis Boyle.

They all knew that Bush & Co would not show up to defend themselves, and they did not. Thus, in accordance with international procedures, they were tried in absentia, just like the gang of CIA operatives were tried in absentia in Italy for their kidnapping and rendition actions.

The net result is that those convicted simply have their international travel restricted. No big deal, the world is full of criminals. Some convicted, some not.

 

You didn't read my reply (above) on SPONSERED ACTS OF PATRIOTISM?

"Let's say"? OK. Let's say no flag raising. You can have it at full mast when you arrive just in case you forgot what it looks like. No national anthem played and no pledge of allegiance. Lots of counties do without and they still enjoy the game. It's what you call football, you know? Gridiron! Let's say that the players come out and play some damned good football!

BTW: If you think "no one" is going to go to an NFL stadium, or watch it on TV, or stop buying NFL merchandise just because the players don't do all of that silly propaganda stuff ....... then I think you are not thinking very clearly.

 

Thank you, Eleuthera, for putting the record straight.

 

You were not talking to me

But having read it again it was a pretty domb comparison

No US law requires the player to salute

But as a football fan and an American I wont accept blatent disrespect from them either

So since football is entertainment, aka show business, I'll just say to the kneeling players - Go break a leg.

 

In which Bible is it written that sitting or kneeling is a sign of disrespect? In which Bible is it written that dissent is sinful?

 

As godless liberals keep telling us America is a secular nation

In fact chances are you dont accept God either

 

I guess that means that no Bible says kneeling or standing is disrespectful. No Bible says dissent is sinful?

 

It means that godless liberals cant turn to the Bible when it suits them

With the flag the players are showing disrespect

 

Burning or trampling the flag is a sign of disrespect, and many would argue that leaving the flag out all the time during weather is ALSO a sign of disrespect. Or those who drive with a tattered and weathered flag is a sign of disrespect, but you say not a word about that.

 

Invading a country that isn't a threat to us is a war crime. If Johnson, McNamara, Nixon and Kissinger were tried as war criminals, Bush, Clinton and Obama would have not felt so free to invade or bomb other countries.

 

Well, that is my point. But I see that you didn't mention standing - or putting their hand over their heart - or wearing a solemn face of admiration for the flag. Should I assume none of those are required by law of players either? And since they are not required by law why are they on the field during the flag raising to begin with?

"Blatant disrespect"? Disrespect for who? For you? For football? And don't you think that your notion of "disrespect" is similar to what the players feel on the issue according to their own gripe?

Let's use some sense here. It's a football game. It's not a rally around the flag in a last-ditch preparation against the whole Zulu nation that is storming down the hill towards your position. IN SIMPLE TERMS: If you feel that a football game is not the place for politcal/social statements/protest then you really should have no problem understanding that a football game is no place for political propaganda. The players "taking a knee" are saying the same thing you are. The difference is that their statement makes sense, yours doesn't. They are saying NO POLITICAL INTERFERENCE. You are saying DO NOT TURN POLITICAL INTERFERENCE INTO A POLITICAL ISSUE. You see what I mean?

 

You should also remind AlifQadr that Rice didn't merely "support a war". Rice & Co. "started a war". An illegal war (condemned by the UN) that of which the motivation was contrived by lies and false proof, ie. A WAR CRIME.

 

Not standing during the national anthem is a sign of disrespect

The players thought they could get away eith anything and there would no consequences for their action

I think they have been surprised by how wrong they were and now they are stuck

 

Why not take the field and join the rest of America by showing respect for the flag?

I know liberals hate whatever conservatives love

And we meaning conservatives love America

 

Why not? Because you are saying it is respect for veterans, which is untrue. I know far-rightists hate whatever Democracy-lovers like And "you" meaning extreme far-rightists.

 

Thingamabob,
There is no statutes that defines a War Crime as a false pretext for war, as defined by the United Nations.
Geneva Conventions: http://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/war-crimes.html