Can you sin in Heaven ?

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  1. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If Heaven is 'perfect,' in that only what is approved by God is permitted, that means you don't have free will.

    You're a mental and physical slave that forever has to live under the authority of the dictator who can see/hear everything you say and do.

    WHO WANTS THIS ?!

    If you don't have Free Will, you might as well be dead.
     
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    Like an old song says " freedoms just another word for nothing left to lose ". Freedom for one may step on the freedom of another so it like all else has its limits.
    Far as sinning in Heaven of course what do you think happened to Lucifer and 1/3 of the angels?
    Now Mr.Free Will Lucy and his demons rule over earth and look what a hellhole for most of earths inhabitants is.
    Are we the fallen in human bodies put here to pay for our sins with the Big Mouth who got us thrown out of Heaven, some think so but I don't know.
    You know Lucifer was one of the most talented and beautiful angels in Heaven he was also an Arch Angel like Michael, Gabriel ,Rapheal, etc, forgot the other names.
     
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    I would think if heaven exists, it would be far more sophisticated and logical than you are portraying it. LOL.

    The only thing that makes any sense to me, is that Consciousness is fundamental, and we all have a fragment of the Big C, Consciousness in us. Upon death of the body, the brain, this fragment goes back to its source, and perhaps it is like waking up to what reality is. So, the real you, goes back to its source outside of time space, matter, in timelessness. And this would be heaven. No, I do not know this to be a fact. But at least it makes a helluva lot more sense than what ancient man dreamed up, in is unsophistication of thought.

    Of course then, all of the suffering of humanity is God suffering. Perhaps he just got bored and wanted to experience his creation using a physical organism, but gave himself amnesia so he would experience it differently? So all of the horrible events humanity has suffered, was something like God dreaming, and no one suffered except God itself?
     
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    Hell has all the bad girls, the good drugs, and rock 'n roll music
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Christians do the right thing cause they fear going to Hell.

    Jews and Muslims do the right thing cause they simply believe God said so.
     
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    it's about blind submission
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    better than for selfish reasons
     
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    Are you religious, Ron?
     
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    LOL. They all do the right thing for the wrong reasons.
     
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    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Where does that render morality ? That means Jews, Christians, and Muslims don't really contemplate sin. They simply follow orders like a solider or because they fear not doing so.

    If the only reason Jews/Muslims/Christians believe murder is wrong is out of fear or God's law, that means they don't really believe murder is wrong.
     
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    So you seem to admit we have free will here on earth. What choices have you made? Heaven is almost above our comprehension because we are sinful humans. When we get there, the scripture says "We will be like Him because we will see Him as He is. All deception will be gone. We will desire completely to be Holy. Earth is only a testing ground for that ability through Faith. Thank God for His Grace and Mercy.
     
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    According to that "man is God" gospel of almost heaven West Virginia, federal sin is not a crime under KKK cross burning even if they are thieving US Constitution arsonists to be higher than SCOTUS.
     
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    I asked someone else about this and they said God reprograms everyone to get along when they enter Heaven

    he said this was needed as otherwise people would be sad their loved ones did not make it in and can't have sad people in heaven

    free will is for earth only....
     
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    In Christianity, "sin" is not just an act that a person does, sin is a process that has corrupted the universe. It is why some animals prey on other animals, why there are violent natural disasters, why there is disease, why people age, and why people commit acts that are "sinful" such as adultery and murder.

    In Heaven, that corrupting process is removed, so there will be no sin. People still have free will, but you have to remember that Heaven is not populated by all people. Heaven is populated by the people who have accepted God, the Heavenly population are all aligned in their fundamental outlook on God and life.

    http://www.epm.org/resources/2010/Feb/1/will-we-have-opportunity-sin-heaven/
     
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    Looks as if Islam's megalomaniacal Catholic Church Christiananality pedophile mentalities homicidal sociopsychopathic human farming techniques of suicide is standard reprogramming for ruling the earth & destroying the universe.
     
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    If God "reprograms" anyone is is only by revealing Himself to them completely. There will be an understanding of the great scheme of things and the fact those not in heaven did not enter by an act of their own will. Their will be so much rejoicing and fun challenges to look to, there will be no place for saddness.
     
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    Which makes atheists the moral winner in this since they do the right thing because they believe it's the right thing to do.
     
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    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Morality doesn't require one to believe rape/murder is wrong.
    Morality demands one to KNOW rape/murder is wrong.
    The problem with religion is, is that it makes morality based on the desire of a deity.
    That's scary stuff.
     
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    You've been lied to. There's only 1 sin - suicide and even that can be over looked under certain circumstances. You have free will. God never laid down any laws - man did. You're going to argue facts not in evidence.
     
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    Morality exists with or without religion. It's the Golden Rule - do unto others etc.
     
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    Insofar as that means the ability to choose death over life, only a fool would miss it.

    No you're not, because you want to be there.

    Why is that a problem if the "dictator" is benevolent and you won't be saying or doing anything wrong anyway?

    If you don't, you'll be excused. ;)

    Yeah, there's nothing scary about morality by consensus, right?

    Sure you wanna hang with that?
     
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    Absolutely.
     
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    That folks like to make up stories about "Lucifer" and Angels - does not make those stories true.

    According to the Bible "Satan" is one of God's son's and Satan does not act outside of God's authority.
     
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    So as far as you're concerned, it's not a sin to torture an infant to death. Right?
     
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    Where does the Bible say that?

    And no the Book of Job does not actually mean that.
     
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