Is it ethical for men to hate those who hate men?

Discussion in 'Women's Rights' started by CCitizen, Nov 7, 2017.

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Is it ethical for men to hate men-haters?

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  2. No -- two wrongs do not make a right

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  3. No -- men are oppressors and hating oppressors is right

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  1. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    I do not know. In a society in which man hating is wide and acceptable, it would be hard for any man to have a happy relationship. The media message of misandry would have effect on the way every couple interacts.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't know any man-haters & know lots of women, my wife & I get along great. I know some lesbians who are friends, I'm still friends with 2 old girlfriends with whom my wife occasionally has lunch.
    Sorry, I don't see the hate stuff you're discussing.
     
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  3. CCitizen

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    Maybe in your circles it is rare, but in Progressive circles collective blame of men is very fashionable.

    How, if You’re a Man, to Deal With the Fact That You’re Probably Trash. Given that a man is used as a mouthpiece is even more sad.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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  5. Renee

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    This is what happens when we make a few represent a race. If a whit person. Did that we would see him as an individual . When white people act inappropriately we see them as jerks but when a black person does something inappropriately we see him as a race
     
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    Wow...you sure are guilty of overgeneralizing, not to mention insecure,
     
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    Women who stand up for their rights must hate men...(sarcasm alert)
     
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    Because women rebelled against a patriarchal society doesn’t mean we hate men as individuals. Do you think it was fair when women were not allowed to vote? I don’t think men hated us, they just thought we were inferior. Do you think it was fair when women were denied access to the top universities? I don’t think men hated us they just didn’t think our education was important. Do you think it was fair when women were denied their own credit when they were married? I don’t think men hated us, they just thought We were not capable of managing our finances. It was all unconscious. But once consciousness was raised and men and women realized it wasn’t fair , the fought to have them changed. It doesn’t mean we hated man but a system that makes women second class is something that had to be changed and secure men agreed.
     
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  9. CCitizen

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    I have been working for Gender Equality since 1996. That is why I want to bring every decent human's attention to the stuff like this, which decent humans would find unacceptable.

    Every decent human should find "we need a mandemic" unacceptable.

    The fact that many Progressives find this acceptable makes them much greater evil then any Republican.
     
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    \begin{sarcasm}
    Men who object to slander like that hate women, or have victim envy, or whatever.
    \end{sarcasm}
     
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    Keep up your fight for gender equality. It’s sad that men have no power in his country.
     
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    Some maybe. I tend and try not to. I have noticed that I react more to clothing and looks than race. I have found myself looking favorably towards black people who are well groomed/dressed, and have pleasant faces than white people who are hunched over scowling in ripped or baggy clothes. At worse, I have thought to myself, "you are the reason for negative (minority) stereotypes." And I will see that in white subtypes, like Redneck.
     
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    Hating is a waste of time.
     
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    Very interesting. I agree with you and in my prejudice workshops with mostly black adolescents I have made your point and stress that their mothers also recoil when they see a bunch of black kids with the “thug look”. One day I said to a kid in my class who looked like that, “if it was midnight and you were walking down the street and you were on one side and I was on the other where would you walk?“ He said oh, “oh I would walk near you“ and then he added something that really made me think. He said that when people are afraid of him he has a feeling of power. That blew me away. Another lesson I did Was bring in a recording of two men talking. The first man spoke standard English etc. and the second man spoke in Ebonics. I asked The class to describe the two men. They said the first man was white and he went to college etc. They said the second man was from the hood and it wasn’t educated etc. They were shocked to learn that it was the same man!
    If anyone said “ain’t “ the class would point and say,”ms.g is gonna kill you” It was a joke of course but they begin to hear it and the word stopped.
     
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    Depends who the target of the hate is.....
     
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    Anyone who deserves it isn't worth the time and effort.
     
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    We have to agree to disagree. Sometimes hating a person or his actions motivates to change situations,
     
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    Sorry but I refuse to give my balls to a woman. If you want equality earn it just like men.
     
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    Who wants your balls? They’re the weakest part of a man, one kick and he’s down.
    We couldn’t get equality until we fought for it....you were given it at womens expense. Poor guy, now you have to share
     
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    I just smile.
     
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    Hatred is often fueled by an element of fear. if these people exist who hate men and express that hatred of men, my natural emotional response is not to hate back because they don't scare or worry me. I kind of feel sorry for them so engulfed in all that anger. When I am not feeling pity, I am totally indifferent. They are impotent, foolish and pathetic more than frightening.
     
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    It’s easy not to be scared or worried when you have the power! Men said the same silliness about women fighting equality...but I guess the anger worked. Women didn’t care about men being threatened we want equal opportunities. Now women are half of med schools , law schools, business schools, Harvard, Yale etc. Married women can get their own credit cards and have reproductive freedom and get paid equally. So you can call us names, but it’s the end result we care about
     
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    Renee, I think you may misunderstand what I meant. The op was talking about the hatred of a class of people. I think that hatred was often fueled by fear, and that anger engulfed them ( those who hate) but not all anger is hatred based at all. Much of it is based on perceived injustice and has little to do with hatred of a class.

    To me this is all hypothetical. I don't think I have ever met 'one of these women that hate men', but I imagine they would theoretically be gender based bigots like racial or religious bigots or homophobes. They have little to do with those who fought for social equality or situtational justice.

    Feminists were all over the place. I have met those and they were just plain pissed. Not the same at all.
     
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    Sorry, I did misunderstand it ...having been an acitivist during second wave feminism and giving workshops in prejudices, I react. Of course there are women who hate men, as there are men who hate women. Often the difference is women disliked patriarchy because it oppressed them and men disliked women who they perceived as threatening.
    I remember lots of those In secure men. I remember a doctor actually said to me,”you’re too pretty to be a feminist “ I remember a guy slamming the door in front of me saying,”you’re a feminist so you don’t like me holding the door for you”...those were the trivial things. The major ones were challenging but rewarding. I have tons of stories, but I won’t bore you
     
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    There is massive discrimination against men, thus men should fear:

    -- men get 63% longer sentences for the same crime

    -- men are discriminated in Divorce

    -- male victims of Domestic Violence are not helped by Police -- they are frequently arrested

    -- every day Mainstream Media publishes male bashing articles "men are pigs"
     
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