Moore up by two day in RCP

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    The media has accurately reported his multiple accusers accounts as well as his denials.

    Republicans AG Jeff Beuregard Sessions, Senator Richard Craig Shelby of Alabama, Republican Senate Leader Addison Mitchell McConnell, House Speaker Paul Davis Ryan, Jr., and other Republican office holders Jr. have all deemed him unfit to serve.

    They are not "The Media."
     
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    The legal concept of the presumption of innocence applies to the accused only and no one else, it certainly DOES NOT apply to accusers.

    The legal concepts that ARE applied to accusers and accusations are "preponderance of evidence" for civil cases and "beyond a reasonable doubt" for criminal cases. Neither of these standards are even remotely close to be met.

    DUH.
     
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    No they are exercising political expediency.
    Hardly their legal expertise.
    :no:
     
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    It is an election, not a trial.

    Republicans AG Sessions, Senator Shelby, Senator McConnell, House Speaker Ryan and others deeming him unfit to serve because of his record as a sexual predator of teenage girls and his lying about it is not a legal verdict.
     
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    Indeed, and your previous comment on the legal concept of the presumption of innocence was not just absolutely wrong as I already explained, but also absolutely irrelevant as this is not a trial.
     
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    You can fancy the Republicans are exercising political expediency in not wanting a teenage predator befouling the US Senate, or that the teenage predator is exercising political expediency by lying about it, but it is a matter for the Republican Party and the electorate of Alabama to deal with.

    His contempt for the US Constitution is a matter of record, and is a clear disqualifier imho, but I'm not an Alabaman, fortunately.
     
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    I'm glad that I was able to clarify the matter for you - that legal standards are irrelevant in elections.

    When you pronounced, "The presumption of innocence IS the American way," you seemed to conflate the two.
     
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    Except when they are. When the American people ignored the liberal lies, smear, slander and unsubstantiated, unproven insinuations on November 8, 2016, they tried to tell the libs that to the American people certain legal standards still matter a great deal and certain lying hypocrites... hmm not so much ;)
     
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    No charges have been brought against Moore.
    No trial in a court of law.
    Just media hype. Yankee media!


    He Said / She Said
    is not evidence.


    Remember Straus Kahn
    How easy it is to ruin someones life with charges that do not lead to a trial,
    because the prosecution had no case.
    Still a life was ruined without the Rule of Law.
    Just the Media Feeding Frenzy.

    Even a Democrat should support the law, not Gossip Power.

    BTW I am independent.
    Sanders was my first choice,
    Trump was my second choice.
    There are many of "us" who do not fit your labels. <boo> <we are everywhere like :flagcanada: >



     
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    Your hyper-partisan rant is noted regarding the 65,853,516 who voted for the Democratic nominee and the 62,984,825 who voted for the Republican nominee (some of whom also wanted to misapply legal standards when they screeched "Lock her up! Lock her up!" without any indictments, trials, or convictions.)
     
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    No, why should there be? It's an election, not a trial.

    Only, if any of his victims bring charges, or if he tries suing any of them, will it become litigious.
     
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    LOL, congrats on your amazing (albeit utterly useless) consolation prize but next time do pay attention to legal (as in constitutional) rules of the completion, the number to reach was 270, not 65,853,516.

    Have I mentioned that legal rules of the competition is all that counts?

    :roflol:
     
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    Yet so many treat it as a conviction.

    Maybe even Natty Bumpo
    eh
    Where it = trial by media ;)
     
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    This is not a legal case, kiddos, merely a conflict of reputations and circumstantial evidence.

    The Moore is having trouble in surviving this as well he should.
     
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    Why he should?
    The other side slings better mud?
     
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    I'm pleased that you now get it. Your "presumption of innocence" diversion did not work.
     
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    If you believe that Republicans AG Jeff Beuregard Sessions, Senator Richard Craig Shelby of Alabama, Republican Senate Leader Addison Mitchell McConnell, House Speaker Paul Davis Ryan, Jr., and other Republican office holders are treating the Moore scandal if it were a conviction, I'm sure they can set you straight.



    I have consistently maintained that I would enjoy seeing his White, older, evangelical, less educated base elect him.

    Turtle McConnell would succumb to the vapours!​
     
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    I was noting the number of voters in regard to your hyper-partisan spin that "the American people ignored the liberal lies," by pointing out how the Americans you referenced actually voted.

    I'm sorry if that upsets you.
     
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    What if I rephrase, "the American people outside of California ignored the liberal lies"... or "the american people in 30 states...." Would this, together with the consolation prize I've already granted you for winning a competition that wasn't make you feel good?

    And if the american people in California were busing spewing those lies, smear, slander and baseless unsubstantiated insinuations, or worse, were fooled by those liberal lies - shame on them, other 49 states weren't.
     
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    My "presumption of innocence"? Indeed, the libs don't seem to have any use for the concept. Fortunately the American people saw right through the liberal values of lies, smear and slander on 11/8/2016. But keep trying the same tactic, I bet the result will be different :D
     
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    Because the perv laid hands on underage girls
     
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    Eleven Million More voted against Trump than for him.

    And Trump's numbers have gone down by 8 to 10% since then.
     
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    What makes the case of Mall Molester Moore particularly interesting is that, if the candidate Trump supported in the primary, Luther Strange, had won the nomination, he'd be a shoe-in on Dec. 12.

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    If the sexual predator should lose, Congressional Republicans and Trump will blame Bannon.

    If he wins, however, they'll blame Bannon.

    The neo-nazi Daily Stormer will continue to both regard Trump as their "Glorious Leader!" and still sing Bannon's praises.

     
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    And here is the consolation prize for you for winning the competition that never existed.

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    :banana:
     
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    That was a year ago, and Trump has failed to Make America Great Again.

    America is so Great that it can withstand Bannon and Trump together.
     

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