Britain Is Bleeding

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  1. Rucker61

    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    The Philadelphia case group was 95% Black and Hispanic with a 53% arrest record. Does that sound like a random sample of the US population to you?
     
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    He has an agenda and is highly unlikely to changes his "opinion" on the subject.
     
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    This is why I read the studies you so casually toss out:

    "Ownership of long guns shows no significant correlations with any type of homicide"

    "In countries with high and average ownership rates, the relationship between ownership of a handgun and victimization in a contact crime goes in the expected direction but is not statistically significant". (emphasis mine)

    According to Table 5, the difference in victimization rates between non-owners and gun owners in high ownership countries is 3.5 and 3.9, respectively.

    https://www.researchgate.net/public...tilevel_Analysis_of_Victimization_Survey_Data
     
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    This guy does not understand Crime, Violence, Criminal acts or Criminal behavior.
    As a Professional Law Enforcement Officer,
    First, I would point out a salient fact,
    Nomenclature is VIOLENCE, not
    Gun Violence, because a firearm is not causality of violence or even a catalyst of Violence, this is a Gun Banner ploy, to recommend that mere possession of a firearm is in some way related to the causes of crime and not merely the ancillary tool of the criminal that decided to commit crimes and obtained the firearm post conspiracy to commit crimes and Criminal activities after the fact.

    Also, many criminals do not always use firearms to commit crimes, many use superior physical strength to overcome a victim.

    To refer to a crime by the type of weapon used is not proper Nomenclature.
    Murder, weapon used, bat, knife, firearm, fists etc....


    Many factors are involved in criminology and firearms are not the strongest factor.
     
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    stupid response. no gun law would have stopped that. I will laugh when the bedwetters in England start seeing increased shootings from all the jihadis you all are letting in
     
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    that's really bogus.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    In 79 I was going to one of the preliminary shoots for the 80 games. I had my new Perazzi as a sponsored shooter. I was worried about checking it. The pilot was a skeet shooter and I showed him my USOTC credentials and my US Team credentials. He said-I will put it in the cockpit and give it to you in the ramp when you deplane. those were the days
     
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    Sweet !!!
     
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    you apparently didn't read what I wrote, or perhaps you were unable to understand it. , I said you live in a cowardly nanny state
     
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    I will piss off flogger,

    I consider Turtledude to be a Hero for standing up to silly birds and giants and other assorted nutters, enemies of the Constitution......
    And defending the Constitution !!!

    My Hero !!.....
     
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    anyone who tells the gun banners to bugger off is a hero in my book!!
     
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    I really admire you.....
     
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    It is not a random sampling, if the majority of those who are polled come from a group known to be engaging in criminal activity, and have been arrested for such. There is nothing random about such, rather it is a deliberately guided effort at reaching a predetermined conclusion. It is not sound science, it has no validity, and it is devoid of intellectual honesty.
     
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    The data demands depend on the methodology applied. I've referred to several papers now and, when random sampling methods are used, the results are shown to be robust.
     
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    There is no evidence to prove conclusively that the sampling was indeed random. The same minority group making up such a significant percentage of the sample pool, and so many of them with felony convictions for illegal behavior, is not possible by mere coincidence. The only logical conclusion is that the sampling was not random, but rather guided and deliberate.
     
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    This is nonsense. Well respected data sources are used where random sampling is, without doubt, employed. Your "its only evidence if it agrees with my bias" position is predictably dull.
     
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    I presume then that you don't consider the Philadelphia gun possession study "well respected" then?
     
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    Provide full reference and actual argument. Don't be shy when referring to evidence!
     
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    It's the Branas et al study you referenced in post #422. Don't you read the studies you reference?
     
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    Your bias is blatantly obvious.
    You have a cast Iron - Fe
    Set in stone - Si Gun control agenda, and your acceptance of any data is based on whether or not it agrees with that data base, that is why whatever you present is square with that preconceived conceptualization approach and is inherently flawed.

    In investigations, the basis thereof is science, in medical as well, objective v subjective observations your methodology is doomed to failure because of a distinct lack of objectivity to prove Gun control, not prove truth be it whatever it may be.

    Statistics manipulated often do not contain all necessary data inputs either by ignorance or purpose and fail to reflect truth in the final finding.

    If you form an armature of actual verified accounts without skew, such as the massive and unbiased research conducted by ( U.S. ) Federal Bureau of Investigation, you get a clear picture of firearms and a relationship to crime, no causal relationship or effects to vinculate the two.

    Firearms are used in crime by criminals, firearms do not cause people to become criminals or cause or influence crime in any way to infer that more guns equal more crime when events and numbers and tge1 factors stated in F.B.I. - U.C.R. caution against ranking.

    All one can ask is an honest presentation of truth and fact as proved by the Millions of law Abiding tax paying gun owners.
     
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    I don't have a bias on this issue. I've simply read the evidence. I'm simply reacting to people who haven't.
     
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    Ahh, you haven't actually got a comment. Shame!
     
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    Actually I responded to your #422 with #427. What is the confidence interval that the racial breakdowns listed in #427 are the result of an unbiased, random selection?
     
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    Incorrect. Rather what is actually used and cited by the studies presented by yourself, is whatever so-called data supports the preconceived conclusion, while ignoring everything else that would actually undermine the presented argument, and demonstrate that it is invalid. That is the only reason a supposedly "random" survey would contain so many convicted felons, and others engaged in felony activities, in order to demonstrate a supposed link between firearms possession and being a victim of violent crime.
     
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    You only tell me you don't understand how data sets, freely available to all, are conducted. Don't you get bored attacking evidence, without any resemblance of thought, all of the time? If not, improve on your hobbies!
     
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