Crown Prince Salman Hanging Saudi Billionaires By feet

Not likely. Hezbollah formed in the mid 1980s in South Lebanon.

 

I said "organizations like Hezbollah". The attackers in Iran morphed into terrorist groups like we have today.

 

Seems the Clown Prince lulled them into a false sense of security, because they were all in Saudi Arabia at the time. Then again why would they all be in Saudi Arabia, unless they had a coup up their sleeve and thought with a little pressure from all of them he would give up the throne... or maybe change his policies. The princes were annoyed at the economic situation brought on by Salman, since it would have affected their incomes? I believe eight were killed in a helicopter crash, and others have been trying to escape.

A coup was talked about for almost a year, and contrary to the impression give by Trump, Salman was not wanted by Washington... or at least from what I gathered. Other than his father King Salman's visit to Russia, there have been trips back and forth from Saudi Arabia to Israel by Kushner who is Trump's adviser and son in law.. The last one was a month ago in October, and it was very secret.

 

I doubt that. It wouldn't make sense to keep them at Ritz. My guess is that Salman is not willing to burn all the bridges and will release them once they're no longer a threat to his plans. Let's not forget that Alwaleed's father - once a rebellious young prince - is the chairman of Arab Gulf Program For The United Nations Development (AGFUND), which promotes socioeconomic development in the Middle East. He's a powerful actor on the international and Arab scenes. I find it very hard to believe that Salman would torture this man's son.

Let's also not forget that the Saud family has shown mercy and forgiveness for their own in the past. We might not understand or like tribal customs, but that doesn't mean they're blood sucking demons.

No, Salman didn't have to clear out a Hezbollah nest to gain Israel's trust (well, "trust" is a bit too much, let's say "willing cooperation in security related matters"). Tremendous changes are taking place in the peninsula. The Sauds are even courting Jews in Europe:

In a historic first and possible nod to Israel, two top officials from Saudi Arabia – both former government ministers – visited a synagogue in Paris this week, The Jerusalem Post has learned.

The officials were Secretary General of the Muslim World League Dr. Muhammad Abdul-Kareem al-Issa, a former Saudi justice minister, and Khalid bin Mohammed Al Angari, a former Saudi education minister who currently serves as Riyadh’s ambassador to France.

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/In...-Saudi-officials-visit-Paris-synagogue-515001

Seems like the Iranian regime greatly overestimated the strength of the Sunni hatred for Israel, and greatly underestimated the Saud family.

ISIS - the contorted spawn of extremist Salafi ideology - was the wake up call for the Saudis. Initially backed by some in the royal family who saw it as an ally against Assad and Iran, ISIS soon became Saudis' number one enemy (I guess that's why Qatar kept funding them). I think the Saudis are very aware of the dangers posed to themselves by the extremist monster they helped create in Western countries.

It just occurred to me that Qatar - Iran's ally - shouldn't have funded Assad's enemy ISIS. But they did. Which is very disturbing. It proves that Iran used ISIS to create a common enemy, hoping to unite the Sunni and Shia Arabs against ISIS and away from the fight against Assad. Also hoping, perhaps, that ISIS would wreak havoc in KSA, which they tried unsuccessfully.

Sadly, Saudi Arabia isn't the only source of funding for Islamic extremism around the globe. The Muslim Brotherhood and Hezbollah are powerful players too. Pakistanis have their own brand of Islamism. Saudi Arabia stepping down will not be the end of Islamist propaganda in Western countries.

 

You don't know what you are talking about. The helicopter crash that killed the governor of Asir was an accident. Of course Salman was wanted.. Nayef is still suffering PTSD because of the terrorist from Yemen who blew himself in half in his presence.

Salman didn't bring on the "economic" situation. You have everything wrong.

 

Mossadegh wasn't democratically elected. He was appointed by the Shah.

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/six-myths-about-the-coup-against-irans-mossadegh-11173

Ever wonder why is US blamed for the theocratic regime in Iran when it was in fact France that gave Khomeini political asylum and sent him back to Iran to have his revolution?

 

Eighth Amendment - no cruel and unusual punishments.

At the time this specifically referred to drawing and quartering.

But it has since been used to prohibit any slow death.

 

maybe.. maybe not... it's all speculation... I have no doubt he'd use torture... now who he uses it on in more and lesser amounts is up for debate. (let's not forget they are on the floor at the Ritz and hardly staying as guests... they are also under arrest, which means Salman will do what he thinks needs doing)

The Hezbollah speculation is not purely based on Israels comments, it's also taking into account the attack on Riyadh on the same night using an Iranian made missile, the close involvement of Lebanon during this entire saga and Saudi Arabia's comments regarding Lebanon during the course of it, the unrest in SA's eastern provinces, the request from SA for it's citizens to leave Lebanon, also comments from Bahrain and UAE occurring at the same time, let's not forget Hariri's presence and resignation also at the same time and Yemen offering Saudi Princes assylum etc etc

Your Iran ISIS/Qatar comments I also believe to be off the mark, (if you have any info on this if you can please post - I would be interested to read about it) as far as I'm aware they are supporting Hezbollah and this is their argument with SA

never said Saudi Arabia is the only source of extremist funding

 

Lebanon's Prime Minister, Back From Saudi Arabia, Is Not Resigning ...
https://www.npr.org/.../lebanons-prime-minister-back-from-saudi-arabia-is-not-resigning...
3 days ago - The about-face is more fuel for speculation that Saudi Arabia was forcing ... LebanesePrime Minister Saad Hariri will be remaining in power, ...

 

From what I gathered, the princes have been trying to get out. If they are let free, will Salman ever feel safe... which makes one wonder about their ultimate fate. The coup was planned for quite some time, and it might be why they were in Saudi Arabia. Anyway it seems there is a lot more to this than meets the eye.

 

Oh, then the Daily Mail is a Russian tabloid? Thank you for telling us that. My gosh Margot, what would we do without you?

 

Oh then it's not a money grab, and that Salman is much too righteous to do such a thing. The fifty thousand dead Yemeni children must also be Russian lies? Thanks for letting us know. I don't know what we would do without you?

 

Oh then Salman is not spending a fortune on the war in Yemen, and didn't spend a fortune to overthrow Assad. Thanks again Margot, for giving us reality.

 

Where's the proof

 

Daily Mail is tabloid trash.

 

And what the hell was Russia doing when the "false flag" Yemeni missile was about to trigger this sort of power grab in KSA..? Huh...? Cutting nice beautiful S400 deals with the Saudis maybe?

Lol....

 

The leftness and Anti Americans will never be able to filter that down thru their clog.

 

Trust me!

 

Yeah, we have never had any real issue sailing right past that, just depends upon who we're talking about. You'll recall Abu Abu Ghraib, and perhaps the fact that we hung Japanese during WWII for waterboarding. We are very flexible on the matter.

 

We are in the region for economic colonialism and always have been. Period. Blame others all you need to to make it "werk".

 

Your link is from a cabal of revisionist hacks that is supportive of Henry Kissinger, nuff said.

The CIA has publicly admitted for the first time that it was behind the notorious 1953 coup against Iran's democratically elected prime minister Mohammad Mosaddeq, in documents that also show how the British government tried to block the release of information about its own involvement in his overthrow.

On the 60th anniversary of an event often invoked by Iranians as evidence of western meddling, the US national security archive at George Washington University published a series of declassified CIA documents.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/cia-admits-role-1953-iranian-coup

There are many claims that the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has repeatedly intervened in the internal affairs of the Islamic Republic[1] of Iran (Persia), from the 1953 Mosaddeq coup to present. The CIA collaborated with the last Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. The 1979 hostage crisis at the American embassy in Tehran stemmed from the CIA and its past affairs with Iran. Its personnel have been involved in the Iran-Contra affair of the 1980s. More recently in 2007–08, the CIA claimed to be supporting the Sunniterrorist group Jundallah against Iran, but these claims were refuted by a later investigation. We now know that the CIA was directly involved with the Mosaddeq coup as classified documents became declassified in 2011. The U.S. and Iran have had a strained relationship for a long time as these claims of CIA involvement keep on surfacing. In response to a FOIA request, the CIA confirmed its role in the coup and various documents outlining their involvement have been released to the public.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Iran

50 Years After the CIA’s First Overthrow of a Democratically Elected Foreign Government We Take a Look at the 1953 US Backed Coup in Iran
https://www.democracynow.org/2003/8/25/50_years_after_the_cias_first

Mapped: The 7 Governments the U.S. Has Overthrown
http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/20/mapped-the-7-governments-the-u-s-has-overthrown/

We are who and what we are, we do what we do, we have done what we have done.

 

It wasn't of course in the Daily Mail that I first heard they were being tortured.

9th November

EXCLUSIVE: Senior Saudi figures tortured and beaten in purge

 

Go and tell it to the French. Their the ones that have billions tied up in Iran.

 

Sure, freedom fries my friend, no one expects americans to take any responsibility for anything.

 

Kind of like when we save others from Natural Disasters. Or giving out that money to all those programs to feed the poor, money for refugees, etc etc etc.

Get it done and go back to business.