Video shows police killing of Daniel Shaver in Mesa, Arizona (viewer discretion advised)

If this insecure cop, with four other armed LEOs, couldn't cuff an unarmed, inebriated man crawling on the floor trying to comply with his commands......well, he just has no business being a cop. He terminated the life of this law abiding father of two for no reason.......and should have paid for this within our judicial system.

 

You're probably right......we should do away with the second amendment and authorize our police to just shoot on sight anyone with a BB gun or toy gun........that way you won't have to hide in your safe space with dolls and crayons. Oh wait, this man didn't even have a toy gun near him when executed.

 

Did neither of you watch the video?

Cop said "if you reach back again we will shoot you".

Cop asked "do you understand".

Guy said "yes sir".

But then what did the guy do?

He reached back.

Sorry but this was 100% justified shooting.

Its a sad reflection on the education of our country that I even need to say this, but just to do my part...

...DO NOT MOVE YOUR HANDS OUT OF VIEW WHEN YOU'RE HAVING AN INTERACTION WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT!

...THEY DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE REACHING TO SCRATCH AN ITCH, TO TUG AT YOUR SAGGING PANTS, OR FOR A WEAPON!

...THEY ALSO HAVE NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT TO WAIT AND FIND OUT!

...BE SMART, BE RESPECTFUL, KEEP HANDS IN VIEW, MOVE SLOWLY, FOLLOW COMMANDS, AND YOU'LL BE FINE!

 

And they wouldn't have been there if he wasn't waving it at people from the window causing them to respond as they did.

Or are you telling me that a guy pointing firearms outside of a hotel window is no big deal. /cough

Also, he wouldn't have been shot if he had followed the simple command that he indicated he understood.

Liberal cop haters always lose in these cases because their bigotry towards police blinds them to the facts of the incident.

 

It may be technically true this shooting was justified. But can anyone imagine this playing out the other way around?
I mean two officers forcing their way into a private residence when everyone is sleeping.

The people in the house might not have the time to figure out whether the intruders are real law enforcement officers.
Do you think that officer would obey orders to keep his legs crossed and crawl on the ground if someone had a gun pointed at him?
Point made.

 

He does reach back when he has been told not to over and over. I think the cop could have used a warning shot though instead of an obvious kill shot. The guy seemed to be very afraid and panicked. Don't understand why he didn't follow instructions when he was told he would be killed if he didn't. The girl followed the same instructions without a problem.

 

I think the police have to act as if this could be someone who was planning a mass shooting. Look what happened and could have been prevented in Las Vegas if police had been warned ahead and had time to stop the shooter.

Cop haters are not all liberal. They come from the right as much as the left.

 

I think that's the issue. They did not know if anyone else was in the room, if they were armed and violent and a threat. That was the problem.

 

I think they didn't know if there was someone in the room beyond, with the open door, the one these two came out of, so they couldn't go ahead and cuff them. That was the problem.

 

So they just executed a law abiding citizen with a wife and two children at home..........makes perfect sense........wouldn't want a cop to feel 'uncomfortable' in his job....

 

He didn't follow instructions and reached behind his back...for what? It could have been a weapon. I'm not a cheerleader here for the police or how they did this, but I can understand that there was a question about whether he had a weapon and was a threat. He was told repeatedly exactly what to do and warned if he didn't do it he would be shot. The female was given the same instructions and followed them w/o a problem. Why did he reach behind his back?

 

The problem with that reasoning is that if police act that way and assume every situation will be dangerous, you're going to have a police state; it's going to be like living under military rule.
They deserve to be able to take measures to protect themselves, but there are limits to the extent of how far that should go.
Look, when war takes place people's civil liberties get thrown out the window. You don't want police forces to wage war unless it is absolutely necessary in a particular situation.

Probably because the orders he was being given were humiliating and demeaning and he was scared out of his pants, and in that panic he wasn't fully thinking clearly. When your underwear falls down, it can be an instinctive reflex to pull them back up.

The fact that he was asked to crawl along the ground in a strange manner while this was transpiring was probably also distractive to his mental capabilities; it can take a lot of concentration to try to move in a way one is not accustomed to. I'd compare it to playing Twister or trying to walk in a burlap sack. So imagine you're trying to play Twister for the first time and someone is threatening to shoot you and barking orders at you, and then all of sudden your underwear is almost falling down. Real easy to reach down without thinking about it.

 

So it seems.

 

If I was on a jury it would have been easy for me to dismiss that from consideration as non-relevant.

Still, it probably does speak volumes about his personality.

 

I don't know. Of course I've never been in that situation. But he was told he would be shot if he didn't follow orders exactly. He would be killed. I think self preservation is the strongest impulse any human being has. The only situation I can think it isn't the strongest is to save a loved one, an innocent child, etc Neither of those situations are part of this scenario. Self preservation should have led him to do exactly as instructed. Maybe he was on drugs or highly intoxicated and his mental vaculties were impared?

 

Maybe he had ADHD. I mean he was a pest control exterminator. (I don't mean to imply anything negative about this career occupation)

 

Not in a million years.

Tragic but not criminal on the cop's part.

 

Yeah - the whole thing's really sad.

He was either super-drunk/high or having some kind of breakdown or had some other serious issue/s.

Very sad.

 

Did they have X-Ray vision goggles to see into the room and be sure the rifle carrying man wasn't waiting for them to approach and cuff the guy on the ground then pop out and start shooting?

 

Some good points.

 

If the Burb Brats want the kind of police officers they see in movies and on TV, they're just out of luck, that's all. Police aren't well paid, and they are also not obligated to give anybody the benefit of the doubt re weapons these days, especially not with one of our major political parties and the media that works for them openly endorsing police assassinations and street violence against whomever annoys them, escalating the tensions they are under.

 

Just sucks to a police officer, you really are damned if you do and damned if you don't

The cop was an absolutely jerk about the way he went about it, I don't understand the "Crawl towards me" demand, why didn't the second officer after cuffing the woman go up and cuff him on the ground?

Is that not supposed to be the procedure?

I keep seeing people using the phrase "The guy was scared out of his mind". Do you not understand that is exactly what is going on with the cops too? They have to assume the guy had a pistol in his back pocket, if you give him time to reach back there and get his gun, you end up dead. Cops are scared too, they don't have nerves of steel or super human strength

But on the other hand, the cop could not have been more clear that if he put his hand behind his back again he was going to be shot. He even said "If you fall you better fall on your face"

So those of you trying to say "He was just pulling up his pants", sorry, that argument doesn't fly. He disobeyed a direct order from a police officer who had been told that the man was armed by several people in the building. Cops are dealing with their lives here, have you seen how many officers are getting killed lately? The numbers are dramatically going up.

The only lamer argument would be to hear someone say "Why didn't he just shoot him in the hands?" or something similar ...

Sucks, terrible, makes the cop look horrible, but I don't think this is a murder either

 

He had been drinking. Maybe a bit nervous because he was in a hotel room with woman other than wife.

 

They didn't know if he was law abiding or a family man. All they knew was that whoever was in that room had been brandishing a gun at the window. They would have to proceed as if he could be a very dangerous man.