Obama: "we can’t just drill our way to lower gas prices"

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  1. tharock220

    tharock220 Well-Known Member

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    How?

    Why?
     
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    The Keystone pipeline is a method of getting interior oil out to the world market.

    When that oil remains trapped, it is an oversupply that causes prices to be lower - a big benefit to refineries in the US northern interior.
     
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    WTF?
     
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    All other industrialized nations have high fuel taxes, yet compete with the USA.

    So, I suppose you are suggesting there is some USA-specific inability for corporations and citizens to deal with these taxes.

    What do you propose that problem might be?
     
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    A lot of those countries developed before the automobile took off, so there's less urban sprawl and more public transportation. They're also smaller.

    What you're saying is like a New Yorker asking a Houstonian why they need a car.
     
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    Oh, please. I'm not asking for putting public transit in Texas against their will.

    There ARE highly significant transportation corridors where a difference would be made if they were improved in terms of speed, carrying capacity, comfort, etc.

    Do you have any idea how many airline flights there are between San Francisco and LA?

    The same is true in places on the east coast. Chicago EXISTS because of its importance as a transportation hub.

    The Amtrak medium speed rail line between Seattle and Portland, OR makes money as do similar medium speed lines in the North East.

    There isn't any room debate here.

    Also, China has wide open spaces, too, and they are dedicated to high speed transportation to close those gaps.
     
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    Obama was a mole and a plant to destroy our country and create a deep state that little ****ing weasel.
     
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    They do not compete with the USA.

    If youre subsidized by a socialist government, you are not competing.
     
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    They do for sure. And once you get off said train, feel free to walk to your actual destination. Public transportation just creates the limit to which your freedom is limited to. And think of what a billion more cars would do for their ability to control all that.
     
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    I agree, that there are areas of the US that should have high speed rail, between cities, but that not what I'm talking about. China is a different animal altogether. You take a train from Shanghai to Hangzhou, two cities bigger than any American city, and there's a city bigger than all but one American city between them. They're not building high speed rail through empty countryside, they're building through densly populated areas.

    I was talking about local transportation though. You brought up developed countrie. Why are gas taxes lowest in the US and then Canada?
     
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    No, they absolutely DO compete with the USA.

    It's a world market. Our market is not isolated. We depend on world trade, which MEANS we are in competition with the world.

    I have NO idea why you brought up socialism, but they are in competition with us, too.
     
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    I'm not sure what your point is here.

    China is making massive investments in transportation, and it is not limited to high density areas. I mention that, because I mentioned China because a poster had suggested that transportation improvement opportunities are limited by open space. China is an example of a nation that certainly does NOT believe that.
     
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    Obama is right, in addition to wells, we need storage and refining plants in enough quantity to keep prices low.
     
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    Tax rates are a highly political issue, so there isn't any one reason for any of our various types of taxes.

    China has fast rail to Urmqi, a city in north central China.
     
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    Oil is a world commodity.

    We have to change the production rate of the entire world in order to lower the price of oil.

    Remember that oil produced in the US is sold to the highest bidder - not to the highest bidder in the USA.

    BTW: The reason US oil production companies want pipelines is that when they can't get the oil out of the USA, they end up with a lot of oil trapped inside America, and thus prices for oil in the USA are LOWER!

    With pipelines, prices in America can rise to the world market.
     
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    The OPEC price basket is $61.94 as of Monday.. and US producers are ramping up to exceed OPEC cuts.. They will do themselves in by flooding the market.. asnd driving down the ppb.

    The only rational way to store oil is in the ground.. Crude inventory is based on "just in time"..

    Its too expensive to build storage containers and that drives the ppb upwards.
     
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    Amen.

    Plus, if someone wants oil companies to pour their oil into the ground, they are going to have to pay for it.

    Corporations (be it Ikea or ExxonMobile) don't voluntarily dig a hole and bury their product in the ground!!
     
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    Trump Opens Nearly All US Waters to Offshore Drilling

    High energy.

    The Trump administration will allow new offshore oil and gas drilling in nearly all United States waters, it announced Thursday. The plan would give the energy industry broad access to drilling rights in most parts of the outer continental shelf, including Pacific waters near California, Atlantic waters near Maine and the eastern Gulf of Mexico.
    The proposal lifts a ban on drilling, imposed by President Barack Obama in his final days in office, that protected more than 100 million offshore acres along the Arctic and Eastern Seaboard. Such a reversal deals a serious blow to Mr. Obama’s environmental legacy and signals that the Trump administration is nowhere near done unraveling the environmental restrictions of its predecessor in an effort to promote domestic energy production....

    "We're embarking on a new path for energy dominance in America, particularly on offshore," Ryan Zinke, the interior secretary, said Thursday as he unveiled the plan. "This is a clear difference between energy weakness and energy dominance. We are going to become the strongest energy superpower."
     

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