It wasn't just about Moore. The GOP agenda is unpopular.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lee Atwater, Dec 13, 2017.

  1. TomFitz

    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    He seemed to have inspired every Trumpster on this Forum, including you.
     
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    Kindly refrain from making false accusations or your posts will be reported.
     
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    Cliches are meaningless!
     
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    Nah, HIllary is polarizing because she actively supported the pedophiles in her life. Successfully put a pedophile back on the streets. Enabled her fillandering and "asserted" abuser husband for so long. That doesn't take a "smear" job. And frankly, if you believe that you have to be just as sensitive for mr Moore who has suffered the same kind of press. Perhaps the difference being that mr Moore's accusers aren't credible. Which still doesn't overcome his stupid policy positions that AL voters should have ignored for the other guy. But hey, if you believe that clearing pedophiles is "solidly center left", then, bully for you.
     
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    We get it, you don't have substance.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Ironic!
     
  7. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How is it that Hillary is disparaged by Repubs for being married to a sexual abuser but you had no problem voting for one for prez?
     
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    Then ignore that part, and return to her having enabled a real sexual predator to escape punishment. Publicly joking about it, self congratulating herself for her success in having done so. She becomes the very face of hypocrisy and an enabler of abuse in our world. The best part here is, you can completely ignore her association with her husband at this point. But we won't. And why? Because she actively intervened on his behalf. It wasn't because she was simply married to him. She actively attacked on his behalf. I have no credible information of what mr Trump may or may not have done. By all means, litigate it if you do.
     
  9. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No matter how you spin this you can't escape your hypocrisy.
     
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    Grudgingly, I have to agree. In honesty, as president, Trump's one great shining achievement was the successful appointment of Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court. This was of great importance, especially after Obama had ensconced two ultra-partisan, lock-step Democrat Left-wingers on it. But....

    1. 'Tax reform' is a joke, unlikely to really be of much benefit to anyone except those who already suck way too many unearned write-off's from the government. It will be of greatest value to those who employ tax attorneys who will go right on milking all the remaining HUGE tax loopholes, tax shelters, tax exclusions, and tax deductions for all they're worth. Hint: True tax 'reform' should wipe out ALL tax write-off's, and this present effort before Congress does NOT come anywhere close to doing that....

    2.The "Wall" is a joke. It will never be built, and it never should be built! It would be a horrifically expensive, ineffective boondoggle of the worst kind, in construction costs, in maintenance costs, and staffing costs! The only intelligent way to police the border is with armed surveillance drones and miles-long strips of land mines.

    3. Our foreign policy toward hostile, nascent nuclear powers is a joke. The Chinese puppet, North Korea, is being successfully used as leverage to eventually have the U. S. removed from any degree of prominence in all of East Asia. Slowly, we'll simply be a "customer", and China will ultimately project total power in that part of the world.

    The Islamic theocracy that rules Iran will have nuclear weapons well within ten years from now, as well as the ICBM's to deliver them with. To date, Trump has talked MUCH, but done little but wander around in his own delusional rhetoric about 'sanctions'. Clearly, neither North Korea nor Iran gives a sh*t about 'sanctions' at this point....

    4. The big economic "miracle" we have seen in 2017 is largely confined to stock market gamblers -- the same bunch that has been encouraged, coddled, and protected by the Federal Reserve combine for over eight years with artificially-suppressed interest rates, warehouses full of imaginary new money dumped into the economy, and the exertion of constant control to try to push the prices of everything Americans actually buy through forced inflation.

    The TRUE unemployment rate, reflected in the Bureau of Labor Statistics' U6 report is 8%: https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm
    So, are "happy days" here again, or this really just more 'pep-rally' bullshit...?

    Question: if everything is so great with the economy, why are so many Americans still drawing so many different kinds of welfare-suck? Why are populations of 'homeless camps' still growing consistently? Why are there still so many huge numbers of working-age Americans out in the middle of the day, just wandering around, doing nothing...? Are there really that many 'trust-fund' babies...?

    It's fair to say that nearly everything about all of these problems was created or made far worse during the 16 years of both Idiot Bush and Idiot Obama. BUT, the truth is that, so far, Donald Trump is not doing much of anything to make things that MATTER much better. And he doesn't have much time left before liberal Democrats come tearing at him and the rest of the 'Republican' Party like a pack of wolves in next year's Congressional elections....
     
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    Not even close.....
     
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    Ha... funny. There isn't hypocrisy here. I still don't like Moore. Period. There is zero hypocrisy here. If you believe you can make a case against Trump, feel free. Litigate away. One hopes you'll spend a lot of time and effort on this.
     
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    One thing for sure- it's unpopular with people who can't see anything bigger than themselves in life, who think entitlement is a natural right and the bar should be lowered in life so everybody is equally mediocre and dependent on the government- and of course, send the bills to that anonymous ubiquitous person, "Someone else" whom they expect to pay their bills.

    There has never been a time when calling people to excel, to produce, to act responsibly was met with great joy.
    It's a matter of maturity- those that have it stand up and step up to the plate. Those that don't demand the plate come to them... loaded with free things.

    As JFK said- "Ask not what your country can do for you- ask what you can do for your country". Those two types of people pretty well define the difference between conservative and liberal values today. JFK would be horrified at the degradation of character in America now.
     
  14. Lee Atwater

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    I just wanted to take exception to what you said about Iran obtaining a nuclear bomb in 10 years.

    "Some aspects of the agreement will last 25 years, including the monitoring of Iran’s uranium mines and supply chain. Other aspects, such as the implementation of robust IAEA safeguards and access to investigate suspicious sites for illicit nuclear activity, are permanent."

    https://armscontrolcenter.org/the-real-facts-on-the-iran-nuclear-negotiations/
     
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    Moore will not be the candidate in 2 years. The numbers are still devastating for democrats.
     
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    https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-economic-expansion-could-become-longest-on-record-1513179000
     
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    Which will have nothing to do with Trump like this AL election.
     
  18. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, Alabama and a number of other states will be solidly red for some time unless there is a political sea change. That point has been established. No need to keep repeating it. Nonetheless, there are indications of a possible blue wave coming in 2018 if the Buffoon-in-Chief keeps acting like a buffoon.
     
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    It was about Moore.

    No more Moore -- good riddance.
     
  20. Pollycy

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    Iran's Islamic theocracy has rejected inspection of its military sites. Link: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...mand-inspection-its-military-sites/611126001/ . You can simply google using "Iran rejects inspection of military sites" and you'll have enough reading material to fill the rest of your day.

    Question: in view of the fact that we will not be allowed to inspect Iran's military sites, where do you imagine that they might carry on their R&D to develop nuclear weapons...? :omg:

    At this point, admittedly after Idiot Obama set us up to fail -- miserably, I am nonetheless further distressed by Donald Trump's inaction.

    I voted for the man, and would do so again (given the nauseating alternative), but I had hoped, given the lethal threat a nuclear weapons-equipped Iran poses, that Trump would have already taken positive action to alter any perception that Iran's theocracy has that its continued, deliberate evasion away from total inspection would be tolerated.
     
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    Indeed, it’s not about the sexual molestation, not primarily.

    To be sure, there is a sea change in tolerance for sexual predators in the realms of business, entertainment and, most conspicuously, in politic, as the recent forced resignations of several elected officeholders attest.

    Sluts like Bill Clinton or Donald Trump could not be elected in today’s America, given the heightened consciousness of males in positions of authority exploiting their power for their sordid indulgences.

    The consistent accounts of Moore’s victims who could not be discredited and his desperate denials may have received far more sensationalist headlines than their actual impact on voting merited.

    There were other significant causes for a conservative, White, male, evangelical Republican's ignominious rejection in one of the reddest states in the union.

    Matthew Dowd offers some data-based conclusions:
     
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    Hah, keep telling yourself that.
     
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    Mhm, just wait until the actual midterms come around. Another Democrat landslide?? If that means another Republican banner election, sure.
     
  25. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yup, the midterms are a long way off. But if the Liar-in-Chief doesn't change his behavior there is no reason to believe his poll numbers will improve. That would portend the likelihood Dems take back Congress.
     

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