Conservative immigration goals

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Conservative immigration goals

  1. Purely merit & skills based

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  2. Prioritize white people

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  3. Merit/skills based focusing on white people

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  4. Just let in a finite number, regardless of skills & merit & nationality. Totally random selection.

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    Most Asian immigrants are very comfortable in western culture. They have no need, or even desire, to change it.
     
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    It is, when it's merit-based.
     
  3. yardmeat

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    Which has nothing to do with the post I was responding to, which criticized collectivism while raising collectivist arguments.
     
  4. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am a Conservative AND a Nationalist. I want immigrants that will speak English and assimilate to become American.
     
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    Which is why Asians are basically treated like white people by society at large (and by companies like Google, who make it policy to favor hiring minorities- except for Asians). Virtually none of them are here to protest the country they live in, or to join street gangs. And when you pull the "best and brightest" from Asian countries, well you've probably got Nobel prize winners.
     
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  6. Richfaceboy

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    Thats a very pragmatic position unlike some lunatics calling for all non whites to be removed.
     
  7. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you admit to not understanding the legal immigration process. How typically uniformed.

    CAn you rhyme off the current evaluation criteria and vetting procedures?

    Chain migration has proven to be extremely beneficial to America. Seems people think the vetting process is suspended for family members which is yet another complaint of the uninformed.

    Yep you want into America? well after you qualify you have one more sacrifice - abandon your immediate family. Yep upholding family values is ONLY after you as an immigrant have rejected yours. Such utter stupidity can only be explained by bigotry and ignorance of both the process and its proven continuing benefits to the nation.

    Big problem with illegal immigration. Solving that perennial problem is necessary and important. Personally I believe a few more miles of wall would act as an additional deterrent, but if anyone believes its going to stop bad guys and drugs from "pouring" into the nation, they are delusional. Same kind of unthinking response as the war on drugs - how's that goin' for ya these days?

    Intelligent, well thought out immigration policy that considers all of the factors while meeting security requirements is to be lauded.

    Attempting to ram thru such ill considered one dimensional policies is stupid and harmful. But don't let that stand in your way of support.
     
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  8. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you end the conversation at the beginning by saying I am uninformed. How typically progressive. America promotes individuals....not tribes. You prove yourself as an individual then perhaps your family can apply. Canada has the right idea here. So why don't you accuse Canada of bigotry and ignorance? That's because your liberal utterances won't gain you anything there. America is fastly becoming sick of your insults.
     
  9. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    nonsense.

    i meet immigrants all the time who are damn smart
     
  10. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Asia includes Pakistan, Bangladesh, and India.
     
  11. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    India has sent us quite a few excellant surgeons.
     
  12. Jonsa

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    No, I ended with a conclusion of that ramming thru an ill informed hack job to immigration policy is one dimensional and its stupid and harmful.

    I cannot help if you are not in command of the actual facts of the current immigration system. Or what chain migration is and why its been so successful in building your nation. DACA kids are EXACTLY the kind of immigrants america wants and needs. And a promise made by America has been broken by trump all to get his stupid "wall" built. Two different issues.

    I have no trouble with sane immigration laws. Ours have its strong points and weaknesses, but we seem to get by quite well even with a generous refugee policy. And yes Canada has a long history of bigotry, racism and ignorance. We were a WASP/FrenchCatholic nation for the first hundred years of our existence, after all. Our biggest shame as a nation is the "residential school" fiasco. That was purely racism and power coming together.

    That's why I am so adamant about this crazy hard liner bigoted approach to immigration, that caters to a minority of americans and vociferously championed by the radical racist right wingers and their radical bigoted right wingers comrades. Its stupid, its counter productive. MAWA ain't happening and certain people should get over it, but they wont. racist scumbags and hardcore bigots are intractable and regrettably their voice is far louder than their puniness.

    And you ain't america. My insults are reserved for an segment of the underclass of america. Those that hate. Those who think they are superior. Those that wanna "turtle" on the world stage. I despise those scumbags and I am only constrained by the rules here or I'd be far more concise and succinct and graphic in my insults. Can't help it. I"m as bigoted as they are.
     
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    I worked in retail. I met the dumbest shits on the block, almost always recent immigrants. Not a language problem, either, just pure stupidity. Both are instances of anecdotal evidence, which proves nothing. On the other hand, the fact that recent immigrants from Latin America and the Middle East are forming poverty stricken ghettos ridden with crime is factual data that supports the claim that we're taking in the worst and not the best.
     
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    Racism is your cop out. Crime is unproportionally high among the immigrants we are allowing. It needs to change. You may have a thing against WASPY nations but you must concede they are the highest producers on earth. If you don't like their culture....go elsewhere. If you can contribute you are welcome to come legally. Your insults only reveal your hate. No one feels superior. We just embrace a culture that works. Yours doesn't.
     
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    You are uniformed. Crime is not disproportionately high amongst immigrants.

    You appear to conflate legal immigrants and illegal immigrants. Lack of knowledge yet adamant in opinion. How totally common.

    I don't have a thing for waspy nations any more than for catholic or muslim or hindu nations. Hell I live in CANADA and am a proud Canadian. I have a thing for Canada but is called patriotism.

    I hate racists and cultural bigots. As for you culture that works, you sure as hell don't seem to be espousing the VALUES of that culture.
    You know that whatchamacallit..... oh yeah the constitution and bill of rights. All men created equal, fAmily values, land of the free and all them there things that are the bedrock of American culture. What culture are you embracing? It sure as hell ain't the culture america is admired for.

    Perhaps instead of embracing bumperstickers of venom, you might take the time to figure out if they are actually true and not just bigoted propaganda. But then again, intellectual integrity is not very common in trumpland.
     
  16. yabberefugee

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    Here.... I'll resort to leftist tactics as you do. Normally I'd try to be more polite.
    You are very ignorant and ill informed on immigration matters. I hate leftists and how they use words like racism, mysogeny,homophobia and other labels to discredit opposition when they see their collective leftist goals going down the tube. Did Stalin kill enough innocents to make it apparent to you that your ideology is wrong? Canada has it's share of leftists too. Of course I was talking about all immigrants illegal and legal omitted into my country. As of now, they are not properly vetted. Many are the scum of the earth though not all. They come thru chain migration as well as overstayed visas and illegal entry. We are working to make America great again. As far as I know, Canada was never great though there are some great people there. Our Constitution, of which you display total ignorance and disregard, requires our borders to be secure from foreign invaders. How we handle that, is up to us....not some Stalinist idealogue from Canada.
    Before I get reported....please note the slander and degradation that Jonsa has displayed in previous posts toward the people of my own view point. Intellectual honesty is not expected from the far Left.
     
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    I think our immigration system should be merit based and available only to those who wish to stay here permanently. No more of this allowing students to come and exploit our superior higher education only to return to their country's of origin to make them more competitive against us. Likewise with jobs...
     
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    I don't want the immigrants to be mainly the educated. I don't want them taking all of the good jobs from my sons and from other middle and upper class Americans who have spent the time, effort and money to become educated. I think Trump's idea is foolish for that reason. I also think that family based immigration fits American values. I do agree the immigration lottery should end, but I think the main thing we need to do is enforce current laws on hiring illegal aliens. We need to revamp e-Verify and make it useful. We also need to allow employers to ask beyond the very little that we allow them to ask. I also think that we should deport immigrants that have relied on welfare for more than 10 years.
     
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    IMHO, the above thinking is unAmerican and not conservative at all. If everybody had your view over time, there would be no one outside of Africa. Human nature (at least for some of us) is to move and go to foreign lands.
     
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    And Pakistan helped start the Taliban.
     
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    Except crime is low among the immigrants we are allowing (and even by those who sneak in illegally). Immigrants (even illegal ones) have a lower crime rate than natural born Americans.

    https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/immigration_brief-1.pdf
    http://www.sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Immigration-and-Public-Safety.pdf
    http://thehill.com/latino/324607-re...rants-commit-less-crime-than-us-born-citizens

    The only WASPy nations are the U.S., Canada, the UK, New Zealand and Australia.
     
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    yes it did.
    What's wrong with WASPY??? Do you go to Japan and rail against orientals? Or Nigeria and rail against Afroids? Leave if your unhappy!
     
  23. perdidochas

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    Well, the Irish and the Germans (my two favorite ethnic groups) are not WASPy. My point is that most of the world isn't WASPy and even most of this country. Most people in the U.S claim Irish or German descent, and neither are WASP countries.

    The real point is that you are demonizing immigrants as being the cause of crime in this country, when they are not. Even illegal immigrants don't cause as much crime as native born Americans. Just stating the facts. This country was built on immigration. Our culture was produced by a combination of the different ethnic groups that moved here, not just the WASPs.
     
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    I have Irish Scottish, Welsh and German in my ancestory. Germans generally are white, they are Anglo's, and Martin Luther was a Protestant. I laid all those aside as did my ancestors to become AMERICAN......no hyphenation, Guess I'm not Protestant because I'm not protesting anything in my faith. So what's your point? My point is this, any crime committed by an illegal immigrant is an addition to the crime of them being here illegally and all are absolutely un necessary and you know why??? They shouldn't be here in the 1st place. I want to see them gone!
     
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    It's the left that looks at color, the right is merit based
     

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