Russian Engineering Masterpiece: Kerch Strait Bridge is Putin's Arc de Triomphe

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    Sir, only democracy or only liberalism.
     
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    It's a very interesting question.
    1. Russians don't use a fireplace.
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    They use the Russian stove that is several times more efficient than the fireplace.
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    2. Russians preferred build their buildings with wood, not with stone. Wood has very little thermal conductivity, it's more better than a brick. Bellow you can see typical Russian home "terem". In my Siberian city there are a lot of such building yet.
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    3. As for stone palaces, they were heated with warm air from stoves in a basement.
     
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    Wow, what a beautiful house. It's traditional in the Northeast of the US to use wood as well, and from the pictures I have seen, our houses look a lot like the ones in Norway. Wood is expensive though, so now they only use it for an outward show, and insulate them with some fake junk. What a pity!.

    I'm surprised they had hot air heating in the palaces, although the Romans did heat their baths from the basements, so I guess they knew about it. Felix Yussopov had written in his biography that he never felt cold until he went to Oxford.

    From what I read, the homes in Russia were always made of wood, (until Peter the Great brought in the Italians), so at any one time, there could be three fires burning in Moscow. The homes though were like prefabs, and could be put up quickly, which is probably why they set them on fire when Napoleon approached.

    Anyway thanks for telling us, and for the beautiful picture.
     
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    I will complement you a little. The Moscow Kremlin was also built by the Ilian architect Aristotele Fioravanti. The prototype of the Moscow Kremlin is the Sforzesco Castle in Milan, as far as I know.
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    I think you know, it's a legend only. There are no a hard proof that it was done by this person. For example, they write that this temple was built by Aristotele Fioravanti.
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    But it isn't the Italian style. It's the typical Russian design. Maybe he ruled by process but there was the purely Russian idea, that was implemented by Aristotele Fioravanti. It's very difficult to compare the Sforzesco Castle in Milan. I visited this nice castle but it is too plain and small in comparison with Kremlin. The Kremlin is not unical for Russia. There are a lot of them here. I'll recall only several ones:

    Smolensk
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    Tula
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    etc., etc., etc.

    The main idea of my post is following. It is not possible to deny the influence of Italy, France, Germany, the USA on Russia. But we never were copypaster only. We took foreigner idea, processed and implemented it as Russian one. In other words, there is no Russian nationality. There is Russian culture that cements many very different nations. Russian culture was created by foreigners for foreigners that became Russians.
    Summary. As you know Russians took the idea of Peterhof in Versailles. But compare the beautiful Versailles
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    with Peterhof that was made from real gold.
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    It would also require roads being built in Alaska. There's 400 miles of no road of any sort between Fairbanks and Nome, including a Yukon River crossing.
     
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    I was born and raised in NYC many, many decades ago, and am culturally 100% American, but since my parents were Greek - I have the 'East' in my blood. Anyway I hate injustices and lies, and I like Putin's philosophical beliefs - thus my support of Russia.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Propaganda has become so embedded in you, that you can't recognize it, otherwise you would know that what you quoted above, has nothing to do with reality. As an example, when Putin disappeared for a few days, Washington's propaganda networks were going hog wild about him having cancer, was assassinated in a coup, visiting his wife in Switzerland as she was giving birth, etc., etc.

    Had they known the man, they would have realized it was Orthodox Lent, and that he might have gone on a spiritual retreat to a monastery. He's very dependent on the prayers of monks for protection, enlightenment and direction.

    To be honest, I didn't think of it either until the Saker hinted at it, and then I realized: 'Of course', where else would he be?' This gives an idea of how little Americans know of the man, but not because they are stupid, but because they are hindered by their arrogance. They see themselves as so great, that they can't even fathom that someone as powerful as Vladimir Putin would not be even more hypocritical and deceitful than themselves.




    Here's a nice video of the bridge. As for the low cost, Russia doesn't have to import raw products, and manufactures everything itself. Wages are low since the cost of living is low, and most of the temporary workers in Western Russia are from the Central Asian states. North Koreans are used in Vladisvostok and the Eastern parts of Russia because of their proximity.

     
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    You've turned me right around with your clearly impartial viewpoint that was totally conceived with nothing but pure logic. In fact, thanks to you, the theory that Vladimir Putin may in fact be Jesus Christ descended from heaven is really growing on me.

    Please cut the ****. We are talking about a man who was a colonel in the KGB during the Soviet Era. That alone is enough to shatter whatever rosy narrative you've decided to swallow. You've let your contempt for the west blind you, and your arrogance towers so high that nobody can talk you down.
     
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    So what? :roflol: Once I worked for Pepsico Russia, our security manager was a former KGB officer. So what? :D
     
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    That's a questionable rationale for supporting everything a country officially does or supports, liking the former KGB-man president's public image.
     
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    Mmmm, 'magine that. Ya occupy others and burn bridges doing so.
     
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    George Bush was the chief of CIA. It's OK.
    Putin was the chief of FSB. Wow! He worked in KGB! It's abnormal!

    Dear Durandal, nobody waits wise ideas from an American. You have no good education. But stop posting pure nonsense, please!
     
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    Great bridge! Don't worry about the insults. Everyone is what they are, no matter others measure. My Wife and I have always liked and admired Russians. We love the accent when Russians speak English. And we admire President Putin. Any great man who practices martial arts, hunts, fishs and rides a horse is really something in my book.
     
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    I didn't say Vladimir Putin's image, I said his political beliefs that he expressed in his speeches - something that you wouldn't know of course, unless you read actual translated transcripts and not the Western conclusions presented by the MSM.

    As an American, I was raised with certain standards. One of them is honesty, something which doesn't exist here anymore. Our government today and those who follow us live in a world of hypocrisy and lies. Here's someone who agrees with me.

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    In the Western World Lies Have Displaced Truth- Paul Craig Roberts

    Last year I was awarded Marquiss: Who’s Who In America’s Lifetime Achievement Award.

    This did not prevent a hidden organization, PropOrNot, from attempting to brand me and my website along with 200 others “Putin stooges or agents” for our refusal to lie for the corrupt, anti-American, anti-constitutional, anti-democratic, warmonger police state interests that rule the Western World.

    The only honest, factual media that exists in the Western World today are the names on the PropOrNot list of “Putin agents.”

    The purpose of ProOrNot is to convince Americans that freedom of speech must be stopped by destroying fact-based Internet media, such as this website and 200 others that provide factual information at odds with Big Brother’s universal brainwashing as delivered by CNN, NPR, the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the rest of the utterly corrupt presstitute media, a collection of scum devoid of all integrity and all respect for
    truth.

     
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    While we are on the subject of Backward Nations

    Los Angeles Tent City
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    Downtown Los Angeles


    Camden,NJ. The Poorest City in the US


    Chicago


    Baltimore: 'This Is What Poverty In The US Looks Like' - BBC News


    Tent City: Making a career out of homelessness (RT Documentary)




    But what the HELL !
    Duh - USofA ain't backward - They have 11 Carrier Task Forces & 19 Carriers
    But if you get a Kidney Ailment without Corporate Insurance, You are going to die Bros
    even with Insurance there is a good chance the Insurance Company will Screw You

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    & Yah got the F35 Boondoggle :mrgreen:

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    .
     
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    And why would you want to talk anyone down, is that your idea of a discussion forum? You have some strange ideas of religious faith too. Are you sure you're not projecting - which doesn't speak too well of you.

    Vladimir Putin joined the KGB because he was a patriot and felt it was the thing to do. His job was analyzing Intelligence. After the fall of the globalist Soviet Union, he became the head of the FSB, which unlike the CIA, KGB, MI6, Mossad, MIT etc., which intervene proactively in other nations affairs, is purely an intelligence gathering agency. Anyway, Vladimir Putin was always known for his integrity - not that it would matter to you, since you can only see others through the eyes of your own limitations..
     
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    Paul Kook Roberts. Yeah, he and Pravda posters, past or present, tend to agree on issues.

    And when I talk about Putin's public image, what he says publicly is a large part of that. How naïve can you get?
     
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    Oh my goodness! The CIA is just like the KGB and George H.W. Bush is just like Putin!

    :lol: Russian trolls are amusing.
     
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    I'm not talking about American politicians and the lies they tell the American public which are always in sharp contrast to their actions. I'm talking about Vladimir Putin's political philosophy which was expressed to delegates of nations at world economic conferences. Big difference!
     
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    I already explained here why Russians believe that Americans are fat&stupid. You look at these two pictures
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    and say that they are absolutely different animals. Why??? Because Russian trolls are amazing.
    Guy what will my students think about you when I'll just show your post? Do you understand you shame your country?
     
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    Is that you're here to do? Tell us we're fat and stupid?

    Also, I really hope you're not actually wasting classroom time showing students Political Forum posts, or else I'll have to fear for the quality of education in Mother Russia.
     
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    He brought up a Bridge I am very familiar with, the San Francisco to Oakland span of the Bay Bridge. The other cable span, similar to the Golden Gate still stands and probably will for hundreds of years.

    Some of us warned CA that the price they had for the Bridge to Oakland was far lower than the cost when completed would be. But CA enjoys low balling transit costs, such as Jerry Brown did on his super fast train, and they underestimate time to build.

    Though I did not work on the bay bridges, I did work on other CA bridges.

    So many politicians intruded on bridge design the Bay Bridge was doomed from the start. And guess what? The state rapidly used the bridge as an excuse to raise all other bridge tolls and now want $3 more dollars for tolls. Using the excuse the money will go to infrastructure. Factually some of the bridges were paid off years ago. So the tolls are an excuse to tax people. Tolls today are $6 and will rise to $9 per crossing. Actually the bridges charge a toll for one way. Those coming back do not pay a toll. Still that is a lot of cash for a bridge you supposedly bought some years sooner.

    I hope Russia does not do this.
     
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    No. I improve my English here.
    Not me, you tell us you are fat and stupid.
    Why? Don't you want looking like an idiot? Don't write such posts here.
    Unfortunately you are right. Quality of education in Russia is very bad in contrary with the USSR. But I visited your elite university and believe your education is more worse.
     
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    Of course, KGB and CIA are not the same.
    CIA is a criminal organization responsible for millions of deaths, political asassinations, coups, chaos - mostly in Latin America, Asia, Africa. Also suspected at drug trafficing. It's still killing people all over the world. Nothing similiar to KGB.
     

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