FoxHastings said: ↑ That is EXACTLY what Anti-Choice people want to do , OWN the bodies of pregnant women.....that's slavery and it's wrong. Too bad there is NO "someone else" in an abortion You think it's fine to hurt or kill a pregnant woman by forcing them to gestate.......and those are actual BORN legal persons...
Wow, when even a movie like Legally Blonde can make insightful points refuting your weak arguments you know you are in trouble.
Correct .. no law bestows personhood. The claim that some court deeming some entity a person commits the logical fallacy- appeal to authority. Science on the other hand is a different story. Politicians have introduced bills claiming that a zygote is a living human/Homo sapiens. This contradicts the scientific definition of Homo sapiens. The idea that a single human cell is a Homo sapiens is abject nonsense. The aforementioned politicians, as politicians often do, ignore science and reality - and in this case liberty - in order to forward political agenda. Nothing new here.
If you choose to deny basic logic,there is nothing anyone can teach you. But everyone else gets it. it is interesting how you claim adhering to a definition is nonsense when it doesn'[ fit your agenda, but the turn around and rely on another one. Not so gifted after all it seems. Especially when that definition is "humankind" which describes a human being at any stage of development. Nothing of substance in any of your post.
I did not claim adhering to a definition was nonsense in my post ? Perhaps the issue is your reading comprehension. This is a strawman logical fallacy (false accusation above) yet, you accuse me of denying basic logic. Then you commit another fallacy by claiming I deny logic but do not state what it is you are referring to. Then you give a "made up definition" of the word humankind ? Aside from the fact that my post makes no mention of this word... your definition is wrong - see dictionary definition and link below. human beings collectively; the human race. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/humankind What a bunch of fallacious nonsense topped up by insults.
Hey if you want to own up to supporting baby killing I applaud your honesty. Most abortion cheerleaders hide behind lies.
So whaler, why don't you act like abortion is homicide? I mean, if I thought children were being dismembered in my town, I wouldn't just be talking about it on the internet. I'd be doing something. And nobody would get hurt, except possibly me. You? Nothing. Your total inaction indicates you're either cowardly, or that you're lying when you pretend you believe abortion is homicide. Which is it?
I love me some baby killing. Except I like to call it killing gods little miracle. I love that you guys think you can change things by playing semantics. Call it whatever you like. Abortion is legal in every state, county, city, neighborhood, and street in America. You lost. LOL Its a beautiful homicide
When you prove that a single human cell (a zygote) is a living human ... then you can claim to have proven that a human is being killed by killing that single human cell. Insults and fallacy is all you have offered and does not prove anything. And yes you should not be so sensitive about offing a single human cell Mr. Transfer your issues on to others.
A single human cell is not a baby silly. You should should not believe in such silly fables and semantic nonsense - nonsense put out there by religious zealots who can't just admit that their politics are driven by religious belief so they have to rely on really bad and fallacious arguments and trickery.
Although I agree with the philosophical premise of this thread, I do not support your last sentence for one single reason: Abortions will always be demanded and an illegalisation would mean the supply would have to be black. Basically, we would have the same situation as with drugs. "Black abortions" would put women in extreme danger. It is better to leave it for the free market to handle. Whst needs to be done is changing the culture and bring back self-respect and healthy morals. Quite frankly, the sexusl revolution and contraceptives have turned women into objects. Bring back real femininity and real masculinity - respect, commitment and responsibility!
Another one longing for the "good old days" that were never there, ..unless you were white and male..... The sexual revolution and contraceptives did not turn women into objects. That would be the sickees who think all women should be barefoot, uneducated and pregnant like any good brood sow. No , the sexual revolution and contraceptives gave women freedom and power and THAT frightened and embittered many others who didn't want any competition from a "mere" woman..... BTW, "REAL" femininity is here now and has always been around....because "real" femininity is comprised of intelligence , character, strength, and courage....all VERY feminine traits !!!
No. I am not longing for the past, I am longing for a future that beats both "now" and "then". No, it is obvious that the sexual revolution has made things worse for women. As for that second sentence, I am most likely more pro-female liberty than you will ever be. Sexual liberalism has made things worse for both men and women, but especially for women as it has sexually enslaved rather than sexually liberated them. The birth pill has only contributed to infedility, divorce and single motherhood; all of which are symptoms of a very ill society. Furthermore, contraceptives have allowed men to live out their lust and women are rewarded with less joyful companionships. Sexual passion is free, but the woman is in jail. Certainly. However, my argument is exactly that the revolution has hampered her intelligent, strenght, character and courage.
Then "long" away...that won't change a thing. Humans will always be humans. Only in the minds of those who don't want women to have sexual freedom or equality How when you think their sexual liberty is a bad thing?! So you are contending that there was no infidelity, divorce or single motherhood before the Pill? !!!! Hilarious!!!! It's the misogynist's old "blame all the bad stuff on women" theme. . WHAT! ?? You have proof that women have less joyful sexual experiences??? I doubt it...because that's a load of horse puckey... Women were jailed for having sex? When" Where? No, it's made it easier for women to use these strengths and their intelligence.....a healthy sex life with no fear of pregnancy frees women....you want the opposite......
Yup and human society always changes. Abortion has nothing to do with sexual freedom or equality. I am pro all types of voluntary exchange as long as I do not have to pay for your demands. However, this does not mean I endorse all kinds of sleazy and degenerated behaviours. The problem with Conservatives and Liberals alike is that both seem to be completely incapable to understand that one can be against something without wanting to illegalise it/being for something without endorsing it. Conservatives: "Nothing for anyone!" Liberals: "Everything for everyone!" How about just allowing everyone own their own life? As long as they don't violate your self-ownership it should be alright, one would think. It isn't. The bad thing is that women have no sexual liberty. Where did I say that? Where did I do that? Yes, it is established science that birth pills play tricks on the female libido. And the rise of the "one-night-stand-culture" it has helped establishing has made men more hedonistic. N'o. Who said so? Yeah because rape, harassment and unwanted pregnancies are all signs of a brilliantly healthy sex life. Totally.
Human nature doesn't change. . Legal abortion certainly has a lot to do with sexual freedom and liberty. It sexually liberates women who, if finding themselves with an unwanted pregnancy , can abort it. It frees women from having to use drugs and foreign objects to keep from getting pregnant. Making abortion illegal is taking away rights from women, rights everyone else has. You don't. This is the good part, YOU don't get to determine what is sleazy or degenerate... That's a good idea, too bad Anti-Choicers don't listen to you.... Tell that to those who want to control how women act and what they do....that would be you. That's a wacky idea, maybe you could explain how women have no sexual liberty.... Right here: """"Sexual liberalism has made things worse for both men and women, but especially for women as it has sexually enslaved rather than sexually liberated them. The birth pill has only contributed to infedility, divorce and single motherhood;"""""" Right here : ""The birth pill has only contributed to infedility, divorce and single motherhood;"" Ya, women didn't have a sex drive until they invented the Pill...the Wacko-meter just jumped into the red zone.....and , of course , you lay the blame for MEN'S hedonism squarely on the shoulders of women... YOU right here : ""Sexual passion is free, but the woman is in jail.""" There ya go, blaming women for rape and harassment by MEN.... Do you mean that women having sex FORCES men to rape and harass them .....there goes the Whackometer again and YES an unwanted pregnancy can be the result of a healthy NORMAL sex life...
So? I strongly believe high abortion rates are not desireble because they indicate something is very wrong. I also do not think promiscuity, objectification and over-sexualisation are good socio-cultural traits. No. It turns them into over-sreexualised objects. I am not seeing this as a political discussion. To me it is an entirely socio-cultural one and the only reason I am interested in abortion is because it is an extremely interesting philosophical matter. Correct, but I can have my opinion, can I not? They are just as bad as "Anti-Lifets"'(if you skew the terminology, I will have to do it too). I just did. They are enslaved by Liberal structures, just like the Feminists say. Sooo, where exactly do I blame women? Again, where did I say those phenomenonsdid not exist prior to the introduction of birth control?
