America the Pariah

What war crimes?

 

Post #139.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/america-the-pariah.525041/page-7#post-1068640887

"none are so blind as those who will not see"

 

Post #139 does not tell me the specific war crimes you claim were committed

 

Actually, Bush & Co were convicted, in absentia, in a Malaysian Court in 2012

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a35397/bush-cheney-war-crimes/

The effort was led by US law professor Francis Boyle.

 

The quotation is appropriate in your case, take off the blinders. Do you really need to have me hold you by the hand and point them out in detail for you?

Get a crayon and a piece of paper and go back to posts #122 and #126 just for starters. Then connect the dots to the list in post #139.

 

The people of South Vietnam did not want to be ruled by a brutal and totalitarian ideology. They wanted to live in a free and open society. They deserved help against the invaders.

 

No they deserved nothing. They wanted help. We were stupid enough to give it up to them and the result was negative for us and the South Vietnamese.

 

The US did think that Asians were worth fighting for. Almost 60,000 US troops lost their lives in the conflict. In the process of defending Asians in the Vietnam War the US helped to kill hundreds upon hundreds of thousands more Asians in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia. In the case of Cambodia, US carpet bombing not only lead to mass slaughter but the emergence of the Khmer Rouge who took advantage of the destabilisation of the Cambodian democratic government. 2 million plus Cambodians were subsequently slaughtered at the hands of Pol Pot's savage regime. The US were funding the Cambodian regime at the time in an attempt to keep them on side in the war across the border in Vietnam . I find it hard to believe how anyone could claim that funding genocide is 'a noble effort'.

The historical facts of the conflict show that it was the direct opposite of 'a noble effort', resulting in almost biblical numbers of deaths, with the people of Vietnam still living with the environmental and health catastrophe of the mass use of chemical weapons used by the US and the dropping of more bombs than were dropped by the entire US military in WW2.

 

We should have stayed in SE Asia. When we pulled out, it all hit the fan.

 

How many more US deaths would you have justified in perpetuating this war that had already cost over 2 million lives in total.

Since the war the Vietnamese economy has been steadily growing. Especially since it switched to a mixed economy in the 1980's. In the last decade the country has gone from strength to strength.

 

Well, the war was fought all wrong. You need to go all-in like we did with Germany and Japan, or you stay out. Fighting with one hand tied behind your back is insane. That's called: "How to lose a war and suffer major losses".

 

The American left didn't think Asians were worth fighting for. And they didn't think fighting communism was worth fighting against.

 

Carpet bombing (Dresden) and nukes (Hiroshima and Nagasaki)?

 

58,000 US troops were killed in a war that had spiralled out of control for over a decade. The war was unwinnable. The military knew this and the politicians lied through their teeth to keep the war going way longer than it should have.

 

That may have saved South Vietnam. Or we never should have been there to begin with.

Either option would have been better than what actually happened.

 

In other words you can't tell me any specific war crime either one committed

 

How Richard Nixon Sabotaged 1968 Vietnam Peace Talks to Get Elected President

http://www.truth-out.org/progressiv...-vietnam-peace-talks-to-get-elected-president

 

The war was winnable. We just chose to run the war cheaply, and that was a disaster.

 

In what way was Vietnam the same kind of threat to the US as 1940's Germany and Japan? You are comparing a localised war against a third world country to a war against two of the most advance industrial and military powers of their time.

 

You call 58,000 US military deaths a cheap sacrifice?

 

In other words, decimate South Vietnam to save South Vietnam. Brilliant strategy.

 

In other words, decimate Germany to save Great Britain.

 

In other words, keep your blinders on.

 

Ahem . . . Good Morning Striped, here is something for you to listen to if you like.



I would be lying if I said that what is addressed in the video is a complete surprise.

 

If you could come up with a specific war crime committed it would be helpful