A Simple Question for Those Are Still Opposed to Same Sex Marriage

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No they are not like me or the institution I embrace.
     
  2. Renee

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    Neither are you to me. You don’t represent the tolerance and respect for others that I embrace
    You want to deny others what you embrace..a loving spouse
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not the same.
    The point is ,Renee, we had the guns, but we did not use them on our classmates. Not Progressive enough for you? We also didn't have faculty feeding us boys psychiatric drugs to make us behave more like girls which was a common facet among everyone of these mass shootings.Sometimes it just didnt make them more passive....it caused them to hear voices and turn into deadly killers.
     
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  4. Renee

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    We also didn’t have the social media...we also didn’t have a fraction of white suoremists groups like we have today
    What the hell are you talking about? Giving boys psychiatric drugs??? Perhaps if they behaved more like girls, they wouldn’t be blowing up schools. But of course it is a “common fact” they were taking drugs to make them like girls...I hope you’re joking, no one could be that dumb
     
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  5. Ndividual

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    I agree, we don't need to change words, simply add some new descriptive words to our vocabulary. New words are frequently coined and added to our dictionaries. How progressive we are.
     
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    Yes, I believe that is what the post I was responding to was trying to imply, but I could care less what gay people do.
    Yes what we're talking about is a contract between two people. All that bothers me is the reduction of clarity in communication when the definition applied to 'any' words grows unnecessarily and often results in misunderstanding requiring exhaustive questioning.
    Words evolve? You mean they become more vague and meaningless for use in clear and concise communication?
     
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    It means words evolve. There is no way to stop the process. Its been going on for centuries yet we have somehow managed during this constant evolution, despite some 'reduction of clarity' in communication. Were you under the impression this phenomena which you decry, is new to this word, or this decade, or this language? We have managed to build cities, cultures, and nations since before Athens, London, and Peking were founded, all the while words have changed meaning either through an narrowing or broadening of word use. the periodic lack of clarity in word use, did not stop us from developing penicillin, learning to build a motorcar, or cross the oceans or send up space shuttles.

    Sometimes we have to ask a question or two to pin down meaning, and civilization thrives regardless. I suspect civilization going to be okay if marriage in this country includes gay folks and you have to ask a couple of questions too.
     
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    Such words currently exist, people, humans, humankind, person, etc. The 'fact' is that most every living species exists in one of two gender forms, although some species can naturally change gender. Clear communication is accomplished by application of the correct word. I generally use he/she, him/her or person if not referring to a specific gender.
    Normally I use Ms when writing a woman and only use Mrs when writing a woman who applied that honorific when writing me. And now we have policewoman, firewoman, spokeswoman for specific use and can drop the gender word or replace it with person in some cases.
     
  9. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe that the Democrats show more skill with propaganda. They can be excellent wordsmiths.

    I caught onto this vis a vis my sales training.

    Take the term gay. A totally made up word that is really homosexual. They seem to hate the word homosexual so expect to make them seem happy by saying they are gay.
     
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    Same with many other words, communist, socialist, collectivist, marxist, liberal, Left wing now call themselves progressives. And the only progress they care about is accomplishing there agenda, no matter the costs upon our societies.
     
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    Nobody is asking you to change, not your narrow views, your definitions, your ethics.

    There is no diminishing of anything.

    Just as counterfeit money does not diminish genuine money.

    Let those other people live out their lives just as you should be allowed to live yours unhindered and uninfringed.
     
  12. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So, you deny the use of behavior related drugs such as Ritalin and others forced on our children and imply I am just dumb. That is how Progressives win arguments. Of course victims always pull out the "race card" when backed into a corner. Why don't you start a thread on how these "white supremisist groups"are now "flourishing" in America, citing names and examples that are obviously verifiable?
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh but bankers take classes on identfying countertfeit money from the genuine.
    . Thereis a great deal of effort and law focused on getting it off the street. Why? Because an uneducated public will treat it as genuine. That would diminish the real thing. If your premise held water, counterfeit money would be permitted to circulate along with the genuine. Face it. Words have meaning and their use has consequences. Our children growing up need to understand the sacred institution of marriage between a man and a women which is the bedrock of family. There is nothing equivalent.
     
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  14. Renee

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    Like I am Ms. I remember a long time ago calling to order something and the man asked if I was Miss or Mrs.. I told him I am ms. He laughed condescendingly and said, “I know you’re not married” I said to him sarcastically, “I got a man to marry me”
     
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    Actually your children are going to grow up understanding that the sacred institution of marriage is between a man and woman, or two men, or two women. They will probably look at you and your antiquated values and wonder. When I grew up I never saw a woman anchor the news, women never were taken seriously as CEOs and as writers and artists I never saw a woman on the Supreme Court and women couldn’t go to the top universities like Harvard and Yale. But your children take all these things for granted. At one time you considered those sacred values of men. Hopefully your children will grow up seeing men and women as the bedrocks of the family. Hopefully your children will grow up without having a role assigned to them
     
  16. Renee

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    First of all girls take Ritalin also. I am hardly a supporter of drugs but I have seen kids lives being saved by Ritalin...kids who were doomed for failure. I didn’t realize that you took Ritalin and that doesn’t make you dumb. But saying that it made you act like a girl is indeed a stupid statement.
    Well I am glad that you use the word victims pulling out the race card because at least you are at knowledgeIng that they are victims.I love when white people like you try to write off the word victim as bad, this way you can praise the victimizers.. And yes perhaps if you educate yourself you will find that white supremacist groups are indeed florishing
    Here educate yourself
    https://www.splcenter.org/news/2017...secutive-year-trump-electrifies-radical-right
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    'Fraid not. My boys are all men. They married girls that are real women. They have babies that are proud of their Moms and Dads and we are proud grand parents. We love the roles God has assigned us. We are blood!
     
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    I'm waiting to hear about all the white supremiscist groups that haunt the streets of America. I do know about Louis Farrakhan, BLM and the New Black Panther.
    Of course you consign anything against what you promote as a hate group. I would say La Raza is most definitely a hate group along with those I mentioned.
     
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    If you're a woman I would apply the term Ms. and if you're a man I would instead apply the term Mr., in dealing with others there is no need to know if they are married or living with someone else of the same or a different sex. I've been living with the same woman for decades and we have children, but our union was a ceremony performed by her parents.
     
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    But people were upset when Ms became part of our vernacular
    My friend who was not legally married and the same situation as you, ran Into problems when her husband died, make sure your wife and kids are protected and won’t have to go through the red tape my friend did
     
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    Charlottesville ring a bell? If you are comparing the power of white people over black people then our discussion is over. You keep defending white supremacist groups. I do not defend Louis Farrakhan.
     
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    Stop the misrepresentation. Sure you can say anything you want. Take the Truth challenge now. Name the White supremisist groups I defend. Make the quotes......This should be really good!
     
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    You do not mention any specific group But your lack of knowledge about the increase and then you jump to Farrakhan shows exactly where your defenses are
     
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    Boys are not men. Girls are not women. You are using a Familiarity. Boys like you do that. Women like me do not
    Boys and girls are not developed adults. I am glad God Assigned you the role of grandparents. We were lucky we got that role because our son-in-law and daughter had sex and conceived .
    What does “we are blood “mean? Are adopted children assigned a different position
     
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    The natural order of things is this....boys become men, girls become women. I am surprised I have to show you these basic things Renee. I do not slight adopted children who need a Mom and Dad. I know many, and they become blood. I know a boy (grandson of my stepmother) who thought he could become a women. He is a sad mutilated boy that has never found true joy. A stable home is important for any child...but that alone does not substitute the love of a Mom and Dad.
     

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