False Confessions

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  1. Ndividual

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    How many police interrogations take place in a given year?
    How many instances of interrogation result in a false confession?
     
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    ^ even one is too many





    Forum members will recall how far right PF members were enraged over what happened to Otto Warmbier in North Korea. Yet, they don't give a flying shít about innocent people who endure the same crap in American prisons. Hopefully, some day something like this will happen to a right wing apologist so that he/she will know first hand what the consequences are.
     
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    Any cop who forces an innocent person to confess to a crime they never committed should be hung. All right wingers who hate government and who value freedom should be applauding - that is if they have any principle at all.
     
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    I support the death penalty, but only in cases where a crime was being committed and a death resulted.
     
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    In the Wilding case, those innocents were victims of a police crime and the mother of one of them died of grief. On that basis, I take it that you support my idea of hanging those criminal cops.
     
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    It's sometimes even simpler than that. Often the police will say something like "confess, and you can go home. Continue to claim innocence, and we'll have to hold you for a while." This is totally legal: police can lock you up for something like 72 hours without much need for evidence if they suspect you of having committed a crime.

    Many poor people cannot afford to be locked up for 72 hours. It means missing work, which often means losing your job. It means not being able to pick up your kid from day care, which can mean extra charges or the child being turned over to Child Protective Services. It can mean missing the bus, which means you can't get home. Poor people typically can't afford a lawyer, and they don't get a public defender until the court assigns one, so they make these decisions without benefit of counsel.

    So a lot of poor people plead guilty for that reason, even if they are innocent. Then they have a criminal conviction on their record, which makes all sorts of things harder for them.

    It sucks.
     
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    But the law does not allow them to deny access to a telephone, a meal, a drink of water, or to medicine as such things can cause an innocent person much harm.

    I remember a case decades ago where the cops denied a diabetic access to his medicine. The innocent almost died from this and it was the good work of hospital doctors who saved his life. I do not recall what happened to the cops after that but all of them should have spent a long stretch in jail for that crime.
     
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    To be clear, I think most cops are honest and want to catch the guilty, not frame the innocent. But it takes effort to make sure people aren't confessing because of reasons that have nothing to do with guilt and innocence.
     
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    Sadly, most cops look the other way when they see one of their own engaging in the type of misconduct I mentioned above. The old blue wall of silence muzzles them from reporting these crimes. Even the most honest of cops keeps his mouth shut and innocents suffer.
     
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    I have no knowledge of the case you are referring to and would have to know the details before answering your question.
     
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    This is a matter REPEATEDLY discussed on this forum and was all over the newspapers many, many times over the years and your hero Dump was heavily involved in the aftermath. Only those willfully blind to the truth would not know (or claim to not know) about it.
     
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    Living abroad I don't get ALL the news from the U.S. Just because something happens in the U.S. does not result in it becoming a story of interest word wide.
    Please though, do tell me how this pertains to false confessions.
    No need to be accusatory, just provide ALL the facts assuming you truly know them first hand.
     
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    Where were you living since this was all over BBC News and on other international news web sites.
     
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    I live in SEA and U.S. news stories, especially those which have little or no effect on the local population here wouldn't raise much interest, much the same as most incidents that occur here would likely be of little interest in the U.S. or Europe.
    Again, I'll ask "Please though, do tell me how this pertains to false confessions.
    No need to be accusatory, just provide ALL the facts assuming you truly know them first hand."
     
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