Turkey Will Attack US Kurds In One Week If They Don't Withdraw

ROFL

 

It's definitely... optimistic, but not as much as you seem to think.

I don't know why Kurdish areas are "Turkestan" for example.

 

He has pretty much all of Iran's populated areas as part of "Turkestan". The areas which has left out are mainly uninhabited deserts or areas which are populated by non-Persian ethnic minorities
More legitimate division of the region on ethnic and geopolitical factors --- as opposed to the pseudo Turkish nationalism inspired by the then prevailing nationalist ideologies in Europe and picked up in the Kemalist version of Pan Turkish nationalism and its myths -- would go back and look at the divisions and boundaries that existed during the Ottoman-Safavid era or the similar ones from the centuries when the region was divided between the Rome/Byzantine empire and the Persian empire.

 

Indeed. I can't really decipher how that map is drawn. For example, those splotches in Europe seem more or less random.

Well, Iran as it exists probably isn't going anywhere. But will the Iranians gain influence in Azerbaijan and retain it in Iraq? I don't know. I don't think it looks good. Iran and Turkey, as supposed nation-states, leave a lot to be desired. In a sense Iran's "natural" sphere of influence reaches into Anatolia. The Kurds, after all, are "Iranians." Turkey's "natural" sphere of influence extends into the Iran, through Turkic Azeris. Now I understand that Azeris don't necessarily want to be "Turks" politically nor may Kurds want to be "Iranians" politically, but the fact is that Iran and Turkey's spheres of influence overlap.

Now this may be fine. Even the Romans and Parthians were able to find tolerable states of peace for generations at a time. But I think that Americans and Russians are about to leave a significant vacuum in the region, and the two political pillars of the Islamic world are about to view one another as the most pressing threat faced by each.

Imagine for example that rumors of Syrians increasing assistance towards Kurds are true. How are the Americans liable to react in such a situation? Would Americans really care to join Assad in his fight against NATO ally Turkey? I don't think so. I think the bewildered Americans are liable to throw their hands in the air and fall back.

As the Americans fall back, political dominoes start to fall in Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Their more pro-American ruling factions are likely to lose influence. They could be replaced by factions more likely to work alongside their ideological allies in the Turkish ruling party.

 

The map is inspired by similar notions as those which inspire maps of the "Iranian cultural sphere" or "Greater Iran". Right now, though, the Turks do have certain advantages pushing their pipe dreams.

Too many forces are arranged against Iran and with Iran starting on its road of capitulation in the wake of the nuclear deal (which didn't really offset the forces against it but merely emboldened them), the geopolitical prognosis for Iran is not all that bright in my mind. It will take a small miracle for Iran to escape its present predicament and find itself on strong enough footing. But unless Iran is knocked out completely, down the line, the natural order of things will see the divisions in the region along their historical patterns. And those will include the same areas of competition and conflict which underpinned centuries of warfare between Rome and the Parthians, the Byzantine and the Sassanid empire, and later the Ottoman empire and the Safavid and subsequent Iranian dynasties. Almost all the conflicts and wars in those years were focused around Iraq on the one hand, and the Caucasus on the other hand.

Iran's relative isolation and the array of forces lined up against it do not suggest we will be able to arrive at the kind of stable modus vivendi that would otherwise be in the mutual interest of both Turkey and Iran. The Turks will push for more than they can bite over the long run and that will not ensure a good prognosis for the region. But, in theory, things could work out well if the Turks manage not to let their present neo-Ottoman/pan-Turkic ambitions run too far and let them too far astray.

 

I duuno. Whatever it is, I think it's a flight of fancy.

 

Well, I don't have to tell you that Iran is going to be just fine in the end. Aside from maybe China no single civilization has stood the test of time as well as Iran has. Indeed, I have a brighter short-term view than you do. Those forces arrayed against you are likely to disappear or array beside you.

Still, I look back at those decades when Europe tore itself to shreds and wonder what the Iranians could have forged out of the chaos.

 

The Americans are not going anywhere.. Assad's assistance is only in the Afrin area and only after Peshmerga fighters in Iraq announced they wanted to come and help the Kurds in Afrin, Assad found it within himself to make a deal.
America in return have made some sort of deal with Turkey but no details have been released.. however Manjib is said to be priority.

 

Assad is a Shia.

 

You are funny...


May 24, 1945

COMRADES! Permit me to propose one more, last toast.

I should like to propose a toast to the health of our Soviet people, and in the first place, the Russian people. (Loud and prolonged applause and shouts of “Hurrah.”)

I drink in the first place to the health of the Russian people because it is the most outstanding nation of all the nations forming the Soviet Union.

I propose a toast to the health of the Russian people because it has won in this war universal recognition as the leading force of the Soviet Union among all the peoples of our country.

I propose a toast to the health of the Russian people not only because it is the leading people, but also because it possesses a clear mind, a staunch character, and patience.

Our Government made not a few errors, we experienced at moments a desperate situation in 1941-1942, when our Army was retreating, abandoning our own villages and towns of the Ukraine, Byelorussia, Moldavia, the Leningrad Region, the Baltic area and the Karelo-Finnish Republic, abandoning them because there was no other way out. A different people could have said to the Government: “You have failed to justify our expectations. Go away. We shall install another government which will conclude peace with Germany and assure us a quiet life.” The Russian people, however, did not take this path because it trusted the correctness of the policy of its Government, and it made sacrifices to ensure the rout of Germany. This confidence of the Russian people in the Soviet Government proved to be that decisive force which ensured the historic victory over the enemy of humanity—over fascism.

Thanks to it, to the Russian people, for this confidence!

To the health of the Russian people! (Loud and prolonged applause.)


J.V. STALIN

Source: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1945/05/24.htm


A very historic speech from a legendary Soviet political figure with very powerful and undeniable emphasis on praising a single race clearly over all others because that one race to him and his ruling elite is "the most outstanding nation and a leading force that is possessing clear mind, a staunch character and patience"!

He proposed a toast to the health of the Russian people because it has won in that war a universal recognition as the leading force of the Soviet Union among all the peoples of Soviet Union. As if all other peoples, races, ethnic groups haven't given their lives defending their rule... Well, maybe they haven't because before and during the war Stalin has sent masses of other nationalities to Siberia, killing and torturing hundreds of thousands because he was suspicious of them collaborating with the Germans. That's why he's never seen those other nationalities as EQUAL parts of the Soviet Union with Russian people and never ever TRUSTED them. That's why he believed assimilation was a must for the security of the union.

What's even worse is he went on to say the confidence of this race won a victory over FASCISM...

It's like the darkest of all the dark comedies particularly when you think such sick group of minds formed a rival bloc and became a nuclear power in the following years. Racism in today's Russia is totally out of control and that's not a surprise because the Russian youth has a leader who believes in superior Russian race and Tsardom even stronger than what Stalin and his elite comrades have ever believed. That's why the FSB doesn't have no problem with finding thousands of Ruslan Gavrilovs to send them die at the proxy fronts of Syria or of Eastern Ukraine.

 

No he's not.

 

A report from Blogger E J Magnier on the proposed deal for Afrin between Turkey, Syria and the Kurds with Russian backing:

https://ejmagnier.com/2018/02/17/th...into-the-arms-of-damascus-with-great-concern/

South Front is reporting that Hezbollah in Syria threatened Israel with an attack against its offshore oil and gas operations should it become involved more directly, a move that further complicates an already complex situation:

https://southfront.org/syrian-war-r...rmy-and-ypg-working-to-reach-deal-over-afrin/

 

In this case Turkey and Kurds are bargaining with Syria backed by Russia. The paradox is that the positions for negotiations of both sides are getting weaker by the time they keep fighting each other. So Assad and Russia don't have to do much but wait till they agree to the initial conditions.

The USA position in Syria grows weaker, so the growing actions of Israel IMHO have some other motivation to increase at this very time.

 

I'm inclined to agree that something is going to happen soon to throw a wrench into the situation because if a truce is agreed for Afrin, and Turkey pulls back and the Kurds stand down under the proposed agreement, the US position in Syria will, as you say, become increasingly untenable. I can't see the US or Israel standing for that either, as I think it would likely undermine their whole Middle East strategy.

Watch this space...

 

Assad is an Alawite, which is why he is secular and so tolerant of other faiths. Although they are considered part of the Shia faith, it has many elements of Christianity, so that many believe they were Christians who were forced to convert and yet retained part of their original beliefs. Assad protects minorities, and is especially well loved by the Christians who ran to Damascus and other enclaves protected by the Syrian army to escape Al Nusra and other so called 'moderate' head choppers.

 

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Calling Alawites Muslim (let alone be as specific as Shia) is like calling Mormons Christians.

 

And the latest from Syrian TV:

A convoy of fighters waving Syrian flags has apparently entered the northern Kurdish-held region of Afrin, which Turkey is targeting in a cross-border operation, footage on Syrian state TV shows. The pro-government fighters were filmed entering the village of Nubul in some 20 pickup trucks. An RT source on the ground has confirmed the movement of troops to Afrin.

A reporter at the scene for Syrian state agency SANA that the area where the fighters arrived has already been targeted by an attack from the Turkish side. Turkish media later reported that an artillery attack on the convoy forced it to retreat.

The deployment comes after a reported deal between Damascus and Kurdish authorities, which sought the involvement of the central government amid a continued fight against Turkey and the militias supported by Ankara.

Turkish officials earlier warned that their forces would lay siege to the city of Afrin if pro-Damascus fighters show up there.​

https://www.rt.com/news/419337-syrian-fighters-enter-afrin-turkey/

 

Try a real news source.

 

But there aren't any other news sources, other than foreign sites which are not part of the MSM corporate network. Fortruss is pretty good, and covers a lot that other sites including RT and Sputnik do not, but again most of it is translated from Russian.

I do go on to other sites for analysis, that have been proven factual and trustworthy such as the Duran, Moon of Alabama, Consortiumnews, Voltairenet. Although I might not agree with all their analysis, they have though confirmed to me the accuracy of the Russian news sites, as well the lies of the MSM.

Let's just say that I can't be 'gaslighted'.






Psychology Today:

When dealing with a person or entity that gaslights, look at what they are doing rather than what they are saying. What they are saying means nothing; it is just talk

 

The Syrian army said it will not go into Afrin unless the Kurds disarm. Otherwise they would be endangering themselves since the Kurds have not exactly shown themselves to be friends of the Syrian government. The ones entering Afrin and waving Syrian flags, might actually be Kurds since they were referred to in the Syrian media as pro Syria rather than Syrian military.

The Kurds are being allowed by Assad to go through Syrian territory so they could defend their brethren in Afrin, and maybe they felt it was safer to do so with a Syrian flag. Besides, Erdogan's threats were only against Assad's forces entering Afrin, not other military.

It would be interesting to know what Putin and Erdogan said in their talks, and also how the Kurds feel about Washington promising Turkey that it won't give any more arms to the Kurds?

 

Here's something interesting from the press conference with Tillerson. It's from the Turkish FM, and there have been times that his interpretation was not the same as TIllerson's. I once thought it was Ankara that lied, but now I know better - they both do, so take it as you may:

During the press conference, Cavusoglu revealed that the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) will be withdrawn from Manbij in northern Syria, where a US military base is located, and was a major point of contention.

"US-Turkey coordination will start with Manbij. The US has promised the YPG will leave the Manbij region. Once the YPG leave, based on trust, we can take steps forward with the USA," Cavusoglu said.

In light of this new understanding, Tillerson expressed hope of bettering relations with Turkey.
"US and Turkey are locking arms. We're not going to act alone any longer... We are going to act together from this point forward," Tillerson said.​

 

RT regularly tries to gaslight Russia's opponents. The Duran has a very string rightwing ideological bias. Ditto Moon of Alabama.

The "accuracy of the Russian news sites" is a joke.

 

His style is very popular and makes him lots of friends everywhere he posts

 

That's Jenny's information silo you're talking about.