New Pennsylvania Congressional Map Is a Big Win for Democrats

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Then let's get rid of it in those states too.

    No gerrymandering allowed in any state of the nation, period!
     
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    Oh my, a professor! Well that settles it.
     
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    And you would suggest? How about putting the districts back to the way they were before the Republicans changed them around?
    Talk about 'that settles it.' Who is kidding who?
     
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    How about putting them back before democrats changed them around? You seem to think only republicans do this.
     
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    Lol... Oh you guys ...
     
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    Not at all.
     
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    Why let people do it? Set up a computer simulation to take the last 2-4 election voting data and create districts with 50-50 split (thereabouts anyway) districts? Force politicians to find a balance between sides to get elected. Then they would truly represent both sides of the spectrum on a constituent level.
     
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    Fixing gerrymandering is good for our republic, no matter which side it "hurts". Of course I would like to see a blue state fix it next, and so on.
     
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    Hear hear.

    Of course, that software needs to be open sourced, available online.
     
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    Cheat to win, anything to win. Winning. The GOP Trump mantra, deplorable
     
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    The best argument that I got for the electoral college favoring Republicans is a bit of a round-about, so I admit up front that it is tenuous. But follow me here:

    Roughly 70% of the country lives in 30% of the States. The corrollary is that 70% of the States are controlled by 30% of the population. That population is more rural and more conservative and they appoint senators, congressmen, and governors which reflect that political alignment. The more conservative view point also favors a further limit on voting rights and access which will further exacerbate the built-in conservative bias for 70% of the States. Over time, that tends to create a built in advantage for conservatives into the Electoral College.

    You can also review the historical precedent in that both Bush Jr. and Trump won the electoral college despite losing the popular vote.
     
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    Puhlease. Nobody is buying your bull****. The congressional district maps in Pennsylvania were deliberately altered by Republicans to give them a ridiculous advantage.

    The Pennsylvania Supreme Court required a map redraw that removed the Republicans artificial advantage.

    Hopefully, other states will follow suit so that once again voters will choose the politicians instead of the other way around.
     
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    Anyone majoring in Political Science would concur that I'm correct. Gerrymandering wouldn't exist if there were a 'randomization' factor in a person's vote. But because we're hardly capable of independent(let alone critical thought) it's easy to target where would-be voters are. This is still going to be the case even in a 'bright blue map'. After all, theoretically that's what Cambridge Analytica did.
     
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    They really are.
     
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    If by "rigging", you mean getting four million more votes than Bernie", then yeah, it was rigged.
     
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    So sorry, Pennsylvania Republicans; guess you'll actually have to run real campaigns now.
     
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    It's simple: Dems get more votes, but only get 5 of 18 seats. This is called cheating. Pennsylvania's state constitution forbids cheating. Republican's ignored the law. Now the courts have stepped in.
     
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    The state changed districts to avoid the blatant gerrymandying by Republicans.
     
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    Gerrymandering has been committed by both parties over the years.

    But the Republican party did something that had never been done before after the 2008 election.

    Before than, states were left pretty much up to their own devices on how they porportioned their congressional districts.

    But after 2008, the GOP sponsored two efforts. One to produce ready made legislation backed by national conservative groups that could be fed to state legislators and enacted by the state legislature in each individual state. The purpose was to advance the right wing or corporate cause of DC lobbyists in state houses.

    The organization created to do that job was ALEC, the American Legislative Exchange Committee. This group was the principal author of every single GOP led voter ID law passed. They were all specificially designed to make it harder to vote in general, and to make it much harder for constituences who typically vote Democratic to vote at all. Some of these laws survived court challenges. Others did not.

    The other effort, was to stack the deck by gerrymandering districts as a nationally coordinated effort that could play out in multiple states.

    The project was called the Redistricting Majority Project, or REDMAP for short, and was run by Ed Gillespie (recently vanquished as candate for Governor of Virginia).

    They used big data to drill down to nearly microscopic level, where what kind of voters live, and to design maps that would deliberately produce outsized Republican majorities in states that don't actually have Republican majorities.

    The effort played a major role in GOP victories in 2014.

    As with the voter supression campaign, several of these, including the Pennsylvania one, have been sucessfully challgenged in court.
     
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    The question is, do you? This WAS Rep. Corrine Brown -D district in Florida. (she's currently in the federal pokey).:roflol:


    congressional_district_5_map.jpg
     
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    Exactly both sides do it and if one side is pointing the finger only the other way then they truly have no clue what Gerrymandering even is. Problem is the side that's in power draws the districts when it's time so it's bound to happen.
     
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    Scientific and technological elite. Who elected the Stanford professor?
     
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    I think all states should have a non-partisan system of creating congressional districts regardless of the party in power.
     
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    That in no way explains how the electoral college favors Republicans.

    I get the left is upset portions of the east and west coast don't get the pick the President of the United States every year, but our forefathers were smart enough to know how easy it is to manipulate and buy off people in big cities, so they made sure the President was elected by voters who represented all of the United States, and not just parts of it.

    Interesting how the party of equality and tolerance is so willing to cut off the voice of so many citizens. Doesn't help with the hypocrisy label it so frequently wraps itself in.
     
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    New PA map looks pretty good after a quick look

    Clearly FAR superior than that laughably contorted POS that the corrupt republicans have been using to rig congressional elections for years.

    Now the cheating republican dirtbags are squealing like little piggies and planning to sue ... LMAO.
     
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