Why didn't the officer rush into Florida's Parkland school mass shooting?

Not necessarily true. What about the Soldier who throws himself on a grenade to save his buddies? What about the complete stranger that runs into a burning building to save people he doesn't know? What about the person who, seeing a child drowning, dives into a lake? Many people do remarkable things without forethought or training. Sometimes they are called heroes. Read about what a couple teachers did during the Florida shooting while a cop with training stayed outside.

 

Did the unarmed civilians inside the building intervene?

Why yes, yes they did.

And yes, when someone is trying to kill you with a gun, you probably want one yourself.

That's why when a mass killer starts shooting people, they call guys with guns.

Liberal police departments don't seem to be in a hurry to get in there though, do they?

 

Just like Michelle Obama. Hates the country unless its only as you see fit.


Just as this case points out, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

 

early in WW2, the USN submarine force found their best officers were reservist, most of the career guys were relieved, this was often true in the army as well in europe,

 

Which does nothing to refute what I said about an untrained person being less likely to intervene. Do you want to base public policy on exceptions in this case?

 

How did they intervene?

 

By getting children out of the way or shielding them with their own bodies.

 

There are plenty of Vets in teaching positions and a program to get them into those positions. https://www.thebalance.com/troops-to-teachers-3332697 I don't think only Vets should be able to carry but I bet a lot of woman teachers in Israel are armed, so why not here?

 

The Revolutionary War was fought to get away from European thinking.

 

The idea is that the armed but potentially untrained person is stuck in the line of fire and has no other recourse. They don't have to be depended on to run IN to danger because they are ALREADY IN the target area.
See the coach he used himself as a human shield. HE was a permit holder who otherwise carried in normal life. The only place he didn't were gun free zones, like the school.

 

Odd how so called "Educated" people would laugh and belittle anyone, regardless of their beliefs, I am sure you and your mates at the Pub have a good time.

Odd that you would not know that the U.S. does not have the same gun laws and regulations everywhere, some States have more restrictions than other States, and the States with more restrictions have higher crime statistics than States with only the standard restrictions.

Obviously, if you are going to Arm teachers and other staff members, training will be a part of it as well as assessments of each persons capabilities, some might not be up to the task and would not be forced to take part or participate, in the case of conscientious objectors or on Religious grounds, Jehovah's Witnesses and others...

 

No, it is only you and your fairy stories.

 

Who would be untrained? What would their ROE be?

 

I have been in more than one gun fight. My reactions I attribute to have been a product of having been placed in high adrenaline situations most of my early life having been raised almost exactly on the boundary between the loyalist Shankill and the Republican Falls in West Belfast at the nexus of one of the major flash points at the beginning of the the Troubles in ‘69. I was in a lot of fights and experienced more than my share of adrenaline rushes in doggy situations before becoming an adult. During the preceding years, I noted some people act and some seem to freeze at certain moments and it never ceased to mystify me who would act and who would freeze; it seemed unpredictable. In a firefight, there are those that seem to freeze, and those that seem to act, but I noticed the failure to act wasn’t always a sign of cowardice because once the spell of the freeze was broken, those that were temporarily frozen, fought with as much courage as those that acted. I have thought about that mystery most of my life since my experiences and wondered why I seemed early on to be one of those that act, but with one exception, that I still can’t fathom after all these years which I will explain in a bit, that makes me question myself as part of that mystery.
I have noticed this phenomena in many situations. There are those on the scene of an accident where victims are hurt that mill about and then there are those that immediately pitch in to call for help and/or administer first aid. And, there are those that rush into dangers like the Towers to help others,mdespite the danger to themselves. It’s even observed in something as simple as two vehicles coming to an impass in a parking lot where drivers seem to freeze until one acts. I have seen it in business where action or decisions are required and most hesitate, but one or a small number will act...then others will follow. In the later example, training didn’t seem to matter. I used to think it had to do with training, experience with adrenaline, but it seems something else is going on.
It happen a couple weeks ago where I encountered a couple on a bike trail with their daughter who had fallen from her bike. She had an ugly gash on the inside of her arm where an artery had been slashed. The parents, obviously alarmed and a bit panicked (the 5 year old was the calmest between them) were frozen. I jumped from my bike, assessed her level of bleeding, and immediately applied a tourniquet, and carried her up to the road (fortunately we were right below a nearby firehouse) where we were able to get better first aid assistance. Lest, it’s figured, the parents had no experience/training in such things, the girl’s father was chiropractor. Why the inaction? Strange.
A number of years ago, I had a fellow try to rob me at knife point in New Orleans just outside the quarter... when he displayed the knife and announced his intention, I yelled FU, and had my knife at his throat before he reacted... seems he froze. I took his knife (still have it) and his wallet, which I took to a nearby police substation and filled a report. I acted, he froze. Why? Suprise?
While I have always seemed to act, and wondered if it was because of experience, some ability to quickly be able to assess situations, previous adrenaline experiences, or some other quality I have wondered was a trait of leadership, I have also always noted an exception which I can’t explain. Shortly before leaving the North of Ireland, I had gotten off work and met a friend at a pub in the Falls. I was armed, my friend was armed, and I would guess a number of patrons in the pub were either armed or had access to arms because of the proximity to the Shankill. Two fellows were having a grand arguement over a dart game (think that’s what was happening) when one of the fellows left and returned with a sawed off. When he walked in the door waving the piece, no one moved, everybody, including me froze. He looked at his mate, said something, turned and fired both barrels into the dart board before wheeling about and walking calmly out. No one moved. I didn’t move. I thought about that situation, much of my life, wondering why I didn’t. I don’t have an explanation for that instance which was the only time I can think of I froze, I can’t even remember what was going through my mind, but I don’t remember feeling fear.
That experience has left me with the conviction that you never know what you will do. I know what I have done at the instances I have acted in a split second to successfully avoid a disaster (some that have amazed me), but I am never as arrogant to suggest I will always do what I hope I will do in a given situation, despite all my experience. Many probably would not relate that experience to bolster their image, but I share for two reasons. The first is, I am still puzzled by that what makes that switch from a freeze to action and second, I don’t make immediate judgements on anyone’s lack of action rather I just hope that I will do what I consider is the right thing at the right time so I can live with myself.

 

Prove such, or recant the statement.

 

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Really ? You guys want to kill just like they do in the movies. You are allegedly the guys in the white hats ... just like all the other mass shooters thought

 

Whether people are educated or not is irrelevant anyone with a news channel can see what is going and laugh at the response.

For the record how could anyone who has visited these forums even a few times not know that your states all regulate guns differently.

You may be offended by my post, if that is the case, what is it in particular that offends you?

 

Wall of text.

You have been posting on the internet for long enough to know not to post in the format above.

 

SOD off.... short enough for you?

 

Sadly many Americans want to live out Hollywood fantasies they have known from childhood and whatever the cost to the wider society guns facilitate that

 

Again, you ignore facts, Millions of law abiding gun owners did not get into trouble, Millions of law abiding people have licenses to carry concealed and only a tiny fraction are revoked for crimes.

Facts prove that many people defend themselves from armed attackers, as a man did recently when an armed man tried to rob a gun store and was shot.

 

So now we are talking public policy?
I thought we were discussing the question you asked in the OP.

I was answering yes, even if in the hands of the inexperienced.

 

He loves to talk about his heroic adventures in the auld country

 

Thanks for the support.

Rich

 

At least he had them.
Many have not and seem jealous.
The same people revile anyone with the audacity to have served.