DOD ups plans to send more "sophisticated" weapons to Ukraine. Shipments expected within weeks.

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    Russians don't "gloat"? Seems Strelkovo/Girkin/Givi/hello moto were giggling about killing "ukrops"&"cyborgs" (meaning ukranian troops) and other govt officials trying to impose their "philosophy".
    Seems moskali brainwashing has had the negative effects on these mongrels. Hell they still have victory parades with images of Koba, Felix, lavrenti, Lazar, and other members of the trashy band. Old habits die hard it seems.
     
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    I'm sure the Russians have been supplying to Palestinians and Houthies...it's just not officially recognized.
     
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    So I hit you guys with the truth and because I can see through Russian lies you are trying to lie about my emotional state! Good try boychiko but there are enough of us loud people here to bring up the truth against Russian propaganda and we will continue to do that.
     
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    Yes they do polish and revere their Turds from their history don't they.
     
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    No the Obamska Administracia failed to transfer any lethal weapons to Ukraine. The requests were made during the reign of Borak the First.
     
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    These are "expendables" as far as kremlin is concerned. Wherever they fall , either buzzards eat them like in syria....or dogs and coyotes cannibalize them in the Donbass. Or if some are lucky their bodies are burned in portable crematories and ashes tossed in a ditch, so theirs no trail of their involvement.
    Human worth isn't valued that much yet by muscovshchyna.
     
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    Their history right from the time of the Mongol invasion through Putin the Turd bears that out.
     
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    Yes ...they still do....since the collapse of the failed philosophy of Marxism/Leninism, 5 yr pogroms, etc, their is no mechanism to fall back on for the moskalis. Their existence was based on theories of mediocrities and this "inferiority complex", which they seem to portray...even today.
    Going from a monarchy, to a brutal police state, to a kleptocracy, hasn't created much of an atmosphere for positive thinking, afaic.
     
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    Given the nature of your posts ... Your being "sure" of something does not carry much weight.

    If Russia was arming the Palestinians - for example like Al Qaeda and the Islamist extremists that formed ISIS were being armed - Israel would be crying bloody murder.

    In terms of the Houthi's ... while I do not see any evidence of Russia supplying the Houthi's, supporting their efforts to combat Al Qaeda and the extremist Islamist regime would be a good thing don't you think ?
     
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    Yes...seems behind some russians face lurks Genghis Khan.;)
     
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    Yeah...sure...maybe it doesn't, like others here. They could use "indirect" sources for supplying certain groups...which would absolve them of any suspicion or responsibility.
     
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    If all else fails...then they resort to character assassination,lol;).
     
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    They also have virtually no concept of private property or business law or rules. My parents told of the invasion in 1939 when the Soviet -Russian horde kicked out the Polichney as my dad referred to the occupying Poles the Russians sent Communist administrators to start the collectivization process. The Russian Communist ghouls chanted like Zombies- " shto tvoiyo to moiyo, shot moiyo to tvoiyo". Basic translation is "what is yours is mine , what is mine is yours" which is the Communist collectivist lie that everyone owns everything. If everyone owns everything no one owns anything.
     
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    Several stupid and untruthfull infested pints with your post. We did not give sophisticated weapons to al Quida nor to ISIS. That is absurd, stupid, wrong and borders on outright lies. We do not give weapons to terrorists period. We do give weapons to our allies as we did to the Afghan insurgents but they were doing God's work, they were killing Soviet and Russian invaders and Communists. Now you accusation about some "Fascists" in Ukraine is an absolute lie. You should be ashamed of yourself for spreading lies like that.
     
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    Now a bit of reality:

    3,000 Ukrainians died at Debaltseve, most from friendly fire because they had only two weeks training. When the Freedom fighters were ready to enclose 6,000 Ukrainian troops in a cauldron, Kiev told the officers to leave through the opening. The conscripts in the cauldron had no idea they were being trapped.

    One officer refused to leave his men and made an agreement with the Freedom Fighters. He was told that his men were free to leave providing they left their heavy equipment behind. When the officer told Kiev, he was told that he and his entourage could leave in light motorized equipment, and then have his men follow him in tanks. Of course the men were all killed. So much for Kiev. They didn't want the tanks to fall into the hands of the Freedom fighters. As for the men, they were expendable.

    Right after the murder of 3,000 of his men, Poroshenko was decorating the rest as heroes for defeating the 'Russians'.

    The world was aghast when these men were trapped, so Poroshenko had to sue for peace. Russia who was not part of the peace process at Minsk, told the Freedom Fighters that they would close the Russian border if they continued their advance into the rest of Ukraine.

    Later on one of the soldiers who was trapped in the cauldron revealed that most of the men died from friendly fire. They weren't trained, so they didn't know how to use the equipment.
     
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    Don't blame me and go on some name-calling rant because of your lack of awareness of what was being done in Syria.

    Was Rand Paul lying when he claimed that we were armed and were "fighting along side" Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria ?

    Afghan was not brought up but, in the case of Syria, our "Allies" were Al Qaeda and ISIS.

    In relation to Ukraine - standing on a soap box crying "Lies Lies Lies" because reality conflicts with the "necessary illusion" bubble in which you live ... is not an argument for much.

    The Fascist presence in Ukraine is not some big secret.

    https://international.sp.nl/nieuws/...-is-collaborating-with-oligarchs-and-fascists
     
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    You accuse me of name calling after you accuse Ukraine of facism. Who are you kidding. You want to see Facism start with Russia and Putin where you have fascism. If you want to try honesty for change you will admit that there is facist presents to some degree is just about every country on earth. Well maybe not Antarctica since the penguins do not seem to be political.

    Just because ISIS and or albQuida had the same enemy in Asad firva while dies not mean we fought along side them. Ron Paul has said a lot of stupid things and a lot of intelligent things. If he did say that we fought along side Al Quida he is wrong and stupid for saying that.
     
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    You did engage in name calling. I presented evidence of the the Fascism claim which you ignored.

    Rand Paul not only said that we were arming and fighting along side Al Qaeda/ISIS, as has Ron Paul on numerous occasions, he said it on the Sunday Morning CNN program "State of the Union".

    http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2...-my-son-into-that-mess-on-the-crisis-in-iraq/

    So OK .. you called me a liar and now you are calling Rand Paul a Liar. Obviously I was not Lying as clearly there are some that hold this view... so you are out of line.

    Just because you claim that Rand Paul is a lying does not make your claim true but, let's assume he was lying. Why then did not every major newspaper and news outlet then have the front page story

    "Rand Paul accuses the Obama Administration of supporting and arming Al Qaeda"

    As it turns out the MSM response was .... "Silence". This is expected as Rand's claims conflict with the official Obama Admin false narrative that was being put forward at that time.

    Now .... did you really think that Rand is the only one that has made this claim. I will let you respond prior to providing a plethora of others making the same claim - which include numerous others in congress and our own Military.
     
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    You can thank koba stalin, Lavrenti, Felix, Lazar, Molotov, for the likes of "Banderites fascists" in Ukraine....btw, look no further than stalin &co, cozying up to Hitler and his cohorts in dividing up Poland. The naive Georgian fool figured he could do business with his "pal" Adolf....too bad, there were red flags everywhere, invasions of czech&austria, carving Poland, musings in Mein Kampf of what "low life's" Russians were and SU was perfect for "lebensraum".
     
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    I did not call you a liar. I said that you posted / repeated Kremlin lies Russian Kremlin propaganda.

    You presented zero "evidence" of Facism in Ukraine. You only mouthed the same sorry stupid Russian propaganda that has been around for centuries.

    Just because Rand Paul says something that you agree with does make hus accusations true.
     
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    What is the USA's business there, I still don't get it.
     
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    Not complicated. Our containment line moved east. We haven't trusted the Russians in generations, and still don't. They remain one of a few conventional militaries capable of standing against ours, and we want to expand our room to maneuver and constrain theirs.
     
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    The election of Russian president is happening on the 18th of March. The interest of society to Donbass is quite big and it can influence the elections. If Donbass people start to be killed in hundreds again it would make Putin be 'responsible'. The westerners will talk about his aggression and the Russians will be told that Putin is not able to protect the people. This is an actual interference in the elections. If 130 americans were posting propaganda in Russian social networks it would have been just fun.
     

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