Trump administration escalates California immigration feud

Trump administration escalates California immigration feud

https://apnews.com/3497917b75ed4cd18d65dda8ec97d52d

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions brought the Trump administration’s feud with California to the doorstep of the state Capitol on Wednesday, suing over its so-called sanctuary state law and dramatically escalating a war with the liberal powerhouse in a sharp exchange of words with Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown.
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Brown didn’t hold back in his response, calling Sessions a liar and saying it was unprecedented for the attorney general to “act more like Fox News than a law enforcement officer.” He accused Sessions of “going to war” with California to appease President Donald Trump.

“What Jeff Sessions said is simply not true and I call upon him to apologize to the people of California for bringing the mendacity of Washington to California,” the governor told reporters.
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The California Legislature passed resolutions forbidding State officials from doing business with Arizona, when that state was accused of ignoring Federal Immigration laws by passing legislation meant to deal with the crisis of illegal aliens in their state.

Ignoring Gov. Browns juvenile response, by aiding and abetting illegal aliens in defiance of Federal Immigration law, is California going to prevail, or will the actions of AG Sessions force California to comply?

 

I feel like this is LITERALLY a rehash of what happened in AZ....

 

California is acting more and more like a rogue state every day. They should just secede already. Local autonomy is best for all. Plus, because it's the left seceding this time there doesn't need to be a war to kill 300,000 to prevent them from leaving. It's a win for everyone.

That way California can fly every citizen of every third world country in and give them an unemployment cheque, and the rest of the US can put up a border around them. They should take the Western states with them: CA, OR, WA, HI.

 

Additionally, it'd be very feasible for radical left-wing groups to establish the seceding territory as a radical powerhouse and a springboard to spread agitprop into the other states

 

Naw, just let the radical leftists succeed the population strip along the coast, and the rest of us can cut off the water and power and watch them squirm.

 

The only problem is the propaganda would be in Spanish and so unintelligible.

 

Whatever works. Local autonomy is in everyone's interests.

 

Perhaps the DOJ will grow some balls and start arresting Ca. politicians for breaking federal law in that they are shielding illegal aliens from the federal gov't. Why are they better than I? I can be held accountable for shielding illegals from the federal immigration authority.

 

All true. And remember what the leadership thinks of people who think like you.

Personally, I'd like to see all of them thrown in jail for not just this issue, but for a cornucopia of actions that have destroyed my state.

 

Yes those who want the rule of law enforced blindly seem to be on the sh*t list of fake liberals. My sin is I am an old liberal, the other kind of liberalism which seems extinct within the party I once belonged to. I see just anarchists who refuse to represent working americans of all races.

When the union democrats voted for trump, a member of the GOP, you know the DP has gone to hell in a hand basket. The DP needs to be purged of these fake liberals, these post modernist, social marxists along with the corporate democrats so we get a true opposition party. A party of the non elites, who have enough sense to understand they are all working americans, regardless of color.

 

No. California will be brought to heel either by its voters or our government. No succession will ever be entertained.

Any fantasies leftists in Cali have of that is far far from reality

 

Yes. Too bad.

 

Who knows? I don't really care who wins this feud. But if California does, liberal and conservative views of state rights and nullification of federal law will have been set on its ear. Here you liberals who were the champion of the supremacy clause and a all powerful central/government and an extreme opponent of nullification for decades if not more over the states have reversed course and thrown decades of believe aside here. To be fair, so too have conservatives who believed in the 10th amendment to the max now spouting federal law and an all powerful central government.

I suppose it all depends on the issue or political agenda. For or against states right when it suits them, for or against nullification when it suits them, for or against the supremacy clause when it suits them. Once again both political parties are showing no core values, just doing whatever it takes to advance their political agenda. Being for something one day, against it the next. Either federal law triumphs state law or it doesn't.

 

You do that! I like the idea.

 

Agreed. I doubt anyone knows what these labels mean any more. I think the mix of ideas and solutions that used to the norm among people who would have considered themselves liberal or conservative years ago was healthy.

What is being experienced today is the result of a Culture War that is being waged by socialist progressives, and the massive power of the globalists who are funding them.

 

Very very true!

 

Agreed Pero.

I remember when the California Legislature passed resolutions forbidding State employees and Agencies from doing any business with Arizona as a result of it's actions to deal with illegal aliens.

Now we have the Legislature challenging the Feds over who gets to establish immigration law.

I would certainly applaud a quid pro quo on the part of other states who forbid their employees and agencies from doing business in California.

 

Forget water and power, get the FCC to shut down the cell towers and have every family in California descend into chaos.

 

This is who they really are. They had no intentions of a winning socialist economy. It was designed to fail to bring about a communist regime. They made lofty promises for downtrodden workers and blacks, women, etc. knowing full well it would never work. Why else would democrats support free trade with china AND import third-world workers at the same time? This doesn't help the unions, does it? It's a double loss. Mexican carpenters have undercut that industry with half wages, going from 20/hr to 10/hr. The dems won't complain b/c they put them on subsidized housing, which guarantees them more votes, while keeping prices high for the landlords. They NEED a dependent class to get the votes. They subsidize overpriced education. Everything they do increases pricing and dependency. Had dems won, there would be hyperinflation followed by a communist takeover.

 

Sorry but I cannot buy into all of what you said. Thinking the DP, owned by the big banks, wall st and MNCs is far, far away from wanting communism. I don't know where this comes from, this idea, except from a paranoid imagination, and a deep fear of communism. Books have been written on why clinton did what he did, with nafta, china, bank deregs, and they all point to the DP having to depend upon campaign financing coming from the banks, wall st., mncs and the elites that own them. Same with the GOP who invented so called free trade deals, the offshoring of industry, etc. When asked about working americans, particularly white working americans, their attitude has been, "well where else would they go?" But we saw where many of them went, and it was to trump. We saw a few interviews with union democrats in the rust belt states and this is what they said, in regards to the DP and trump.

To think the DP wants communism is just utter nonsense. I have heard this for years coming from the right. It seems to be genetic. lol

 

California wants to stand for human rights.
The Trump Admin wants to violate human rights, spinning it as if it’s enfifcing rule of law.
Arizona had a human rights violator as a sheriff with his “tent camps.”
California ends business with Arizona.
California wants to keep immigrant families together.
The Trump Admin wants to separate immigrant families and increase deportations, again spinning it as if it is enforcing immigration law.

It’s not hard to see who is right here. California is, and they have been the only state not afraid to hit back.

 

Alt-left, liberal/socialist progressive platitudes are a really pathetic way to attempt to debate a point.

Hyperbole and propaganda are just dog whistles set to a tone only the target audience is tuned to hear.

But thanks anyway.

 

Lol, you really think that was hyperbole and propaganda? Turn Fox off for once and look up the stories of all the families ICE is destroying. A Google search will do.

Having prisoners live in 100+ degree camps with no AC is not hyperbole.
Standing up for the rights of immigrants isn’t hyperbole.

Nothing I said was anything you claim in this response.

 

LOL

You know, the leftists need to stop with the lame "Fox News" blather. How lazy can they be?

ICE isn't destroying any families, the families are destroying themselves.

What mother and/or father, would knowingly put their family in danger of break up? They did it to themselves. They knew the day may come they would be caught and deported. They knew it, but apparently decided they didn't give a damn.

So these platitudes the left attempts to throw out are just BS.

Immigrants? They are ILLEGAL ALIENS, and no amount of pantywaist blather will change that fact.

How many legal immigrants is ICE going after?

All this type of hyperbole and propaganda does is confirm leftist rarely, if ever, accept responsibility.

 

Off the bat, I would say 99% of boycotts never work. If they do, it takes years at time. most of the time stuff like forbidding state employees from doing business with another state is just feel good legislation that doesn't mean anything. Symbolic, yes. But aside from symbolism, no effect.

So much of what we do today is just feel good stuff which accomplishes nothing in the long run. Either you believe federal law triumphs state law or you don't. You can't have it both ways. Immigration, either it is legal or illegal. If it legal and according to U.S. law, no state law is needed. If it is illegal, then those immigrants are criminals or at least part of a criminal class of people who broke U.S. law. In the case of sanctuary cities and states, they are aiding and abetting those who broke the law.

To put it another way, we are either a nation of laws or we aren't. There is no in-between. If the law needs changing or revoking, then do it. Until then, respect it.