Paganism Derived From Noah and His Family

Noah the Great triplicated Father, with three sons(where the trinity came from), and his Ark(the little earth) are the basis for the ancient Pagan religions. The gods of the ancient mysteries were previous literal mortal human beings later deified or personifications of events or characteristics of these mortals (Sanchuniathon’s account of Epigeius/Autochthon/Uranus) The great father is triplicated. (Adam’s three sons, Noah’s three sons, Manu’s three sons: Pavana, Srnjaya and Yajnahotra, Xisuthrus’ three sons: Zerovanos, Titan, and Japetosthes, the Buddhist Trikāya, Hermes Trismegistus, and Borr’s three sons Odin, Vili and Vé.)

 

I think this is the forum you're looking for.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?forums/religion-philosophy.46/

 

One of the more interesting questions is "who was the God of Noah".

Remember that Noah was still alive when Abraham was born. This is roughly 300 years after the ark made land. Abraham is dated to around 1800 BC - 2000 BC ... which puts the flood at around 2100-2300BC.

Terah - Abraham's father makes idols for a living. Now Terah's great great Grandfather (who was still alive during the life of Terah) was Peleg. Terah would have sat on his knee and heard stories of the great flood and so on ...along with stories of Noah and son Shem from which they were descended.

Now Arphaxad was Peleg's grandfather. Arphaxad was one of the first born generation after the flood being a son of Shem.

Obviously he would have heard stories about Noah, the flood and so on.

Now not only was Terah a descendant of Shem - most everyone else living in Babylonia/Sumer at the time was also a descendant of Shem (and not real far removed as illustrated above).

In addition .. both Shem and Noah are still alive as living reminders of the story that everyone would know. Few things would be more common upon meeting someone else- or getting together with close relatives - than asking "how are you related to Shem".

Everyone would know the story of their relationship to Shem and Noah. There would likely be ceremonies where people would get together to have some kind of celebration of these individuals (perhaps on their birthdays). At some of these celebrations Shem, Noah ...or any other of the lineage (all who are still alive at the time of Terah and Abraham) Shem or Noah might even show up !.

Problem - if everyone has this lineage and knows the story of how they came to be and of the God of Noah ... how come all these people worship the Sumerian Pantheon ? Abraham was born in Ur a major city in Babylonia.

Obviously the God of Noah was the chief God of this pantheon. (The Father, Creator and so on) That God was El (Enlil, Ellil, Elyon)

As it turns out modern scholarship states that the God of Abraham was in fact .. El.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Abraham

 

Abraham is dated 2100/2000BCE and is a mythical character in a story.

 

Sorry, where in this comment did you address a single thing I said?

 

Special Pleading Fallacy.

 

I would say 2100 is a bit late but ... it makes no difference to any of my points. It is my understanding that one of the names mentioned is of King Hammurabi which puts Abraham earlier.

Whether Abraham is mythical or not is not relevant as my post assumes the Bible is correct. If one accepts the story as written - the chief God (creator, the Father and so on) of Noah is El - head of the Sumerian Pantheon.

In addition (see link) current scholarship has the God of Noah as El. (El Shaddai) YHWH - God of Moses was one of El's 70 sons.

 

The Trinity came from Zoroaster. 'Praise to thee, Ahura Mazda, threefold before other creations' .†From Ahura Mazda came a duality: the twin spirits of Spenta Mainyu (the Holy or Bountiful Spirit) and Angra Mainyu (the Destructive or Opposing Spirit).

 

What part of "Paganism derived from Noah and Family" does my post not directly address ?

 

2100. A bit early do you mean? given that dates run down in BCE. As to Hammurabi around 1795-1750 or thereabouts.Long after Abraham.

However, I go along with you, if one takes the story literally. Ugarite literature also has JHWH as one of gods sons. The Jews assumed the name and gave JHWH the supreme authority.

El Shaddai? El. God. Shaddai? there are various meanings suggested but not 'Almighty' as the Septuagint and the Latin Vulgate translated it.

 

Yes .. early is what was meant

El Shaddai was the Cannanite God of the Mountain.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Abraham

 

And what reason have you for thinking that?

 

That's a very good observation.

 

It's easy to overlook the detail about Noah's relatives being idol worshipers. Yahweh's flood and Noah's ark didn't make a big impression on them.

 

Idol's aside ... the question is what God(s) Noah worshiped. My argument illustrates that it must have been the Sumerian Pantheon.

If we take the details following the Ark landing as true (obviously there was no global flood around 2200 BC (+/- a century) as there are numerous civilizations all over the world that are continuous through that time period) this means that all the people living around the time of Terah would know their lineage back to Noah and Shem primarily.


The creator God of all these people was "El"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlil

OK ... so El (Enlil) was the God of Creation ...and the God of the Flood to all the descendants of Noah.

Why would all these people believe in some God of Creation other than the God of Creation that Noah believed in ? This makes no sense.

The fact that both Noah and Shem are still alive - as living reminders of the God of Creation- and all of Terah's lineage back to Shem are also still alive - means it is preposterous that these people would be worshiping a different God as God of Creation than Noah/Shem.

All the people living in Ur - Terah's city and the birthplace of Abraham - along with all the other descendants of Shem living in mesopotamia ... are worshiping El as the creator God.

All these people have a connection to the lineage of Terah .. meaning all know how they are related to Shem and can give a list (like that of Terah) back to Shem. They all know the story of Shem and all worship the God of Shem. That God is El - Enlil. They also worship other Gods in the pantheon but all recognize El as Chief of the Pantheon.

It is then no surprise that modern scholarship states that the God of Abraham was "El".

It get's better. Psalm 82 talks about El as being the head of the Divine Council.

From the Journal of Hebrew Scriptures.
http://www.jhsonline.org/Articles/article_144.pdf

In Deuteronomy 32:8( if you go find the ancient reading - as over the transcribers had a tendency to wipe away the fact that the Israelite's (while worshiping only one God) believed in the existence of many - the Divine Council) the people of earth were divided among the 70 Son's of El (Elyon .. another name for Enlil). The portion given to YHWH are the Israelites

http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/DT32BibSac.pdf

What is perhaps more interesting in this link is the comparison Deut 32:43 from 3 different Bibles (Page 7). Note how the Masoretic text (written in 700-1000AD many centuries after the other LXX and Qumran text which were in or prior the first century BC) has removed the references to the Divine Pantheon.

Then go and read this same passage in a modern Bible and you will find it is completely unrecognizable. Bit time pious fraud.

 

Biblical genealogy puts Abraham at 2100/2000 BCE. If he bought his /Sarah's tomb from the Hittites (Biblical knowledge) then he must have been at least 500 years old as the Hittites did not appear (ancient history and archaeology) until the 1600'sBCE.

 

Actually, if the story would be true, there would be a huge DNA bottleneck that would be readily visible to geneticists.

Note that in a text recovered in Ashurbanipal's library at Nineveh, Ashurbanipal claims to have been taught to read the stone writings that were written before the "flood."

Although scholars continue to derisively refer to it as the "flood" the actual word means "deluge" which is quite different (and the Classical Biblical Hebrew employed in Hebrew texts is really an Akkadian loan-word that is best interpreted as "deluge" instead of "flood").

The Sumerian (and Akkadian) texts state the event lasted 4-5 days, with the waters surging back and forth, reminiscent of a tsunami sweeping up from the southern Pacific Ocean or Indian Ocean. Since the western Antarctic Ice Sheet is only about 8,000 years old, having been destroyed sometime around 12,000 BCE, it's possible an asteroid or more likely a comet impacted in the southern Pacific and destroyed the western Ice Sheet while sending a tsunami north into the Indian Ocean and ultimately what is now the Persian Gulf.

While it destroyed many coastal cities and towns killing a lot of people, it didn't kill everyone.

 

You have not addressed a single thing I said.

 

Again you did not address a single thing I said.

 

Everything I pointed out in the op. Not one argument I made to support the thesis was addressed.

 

Yeah if you people do not address what I said I'm blocking you. You have 24 hours to begin to face the op.

 

The reasons given in the very statement you quoted and refused to address. Do so in 24 hours or I am blocking you;

 

Address what I have said in 24 hours or I am blocking you.

 

Tower of Babel.

Point?

Dr. George Young Refuted Uniformitarianism in his 4 volumes.

 

I don't see any such justification. Could you point out the bit that supposedly lends the statement credibility? It seems to me the statements might as well just not be true.