A New War On Drugs

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    The Feds are behind the opium addiction epidemic. They let Drs hand out Vicodin and OxyContin like candy to anyone. Got millions addicted and took the men's away. Leaving only their afghan heroin flooded to American streets to fill the gap.
    Mariana is moot. It affects little to no crime or health problems. The Feds just can't get rich with it legal for all to grow. Other drugs they profit on will falter. The evil is the Mexican cartels are destroying American forest land with illegal grows run by illegal aliens. The pollution alone is astounding.
    Crack cocaine was also a Federal Government invention. Addicts are profitable. The Noriega connection made the Feds a mint.
     
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    Like the army did in Vietnam with troops in order to have them controlled, the US government is currently making people being doped and easy to be manipulated.
     
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    Go have another beer and watch the football game
     
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    Nearly 88,000 people die from alcohol-related causes annually.
    Federal and State income from taxes on alcohol $5.6 billion.

    An average of 480,000 die from from tobacco use each year.
    Federal and State income from taxes on tobacco $32 billion.

    An average of 45,000 die from opiate drug overdoses each year (52% from prescription opiates)
    Federal and State income from taxes on prescription and illegal drugs $0.

    So if the underlying desire was to stop people dying from drug use/abuse, why start with opiates?
    Or is the answer too obvious $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
     
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    Congress addressing opiate abuse...
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    Congress Confronts Americans' Opiate Abuse
    May 11, 2016 | WASHINGTON — Initiative is in response to startling reality of Americans consuming 80 percent of world’s supply of pain medication
     
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    Sure, blame the drugs! Blame the tobacco. Blame the alcohol. Blame the food. It's always somebody else's fault, isn't it?
    How about informing people they have the power to control their own use of such things?
     
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    Trump goin' after the cartels...
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    US, Mexico Open New Maritime Front in Drug War
    29 Mar 2018 — The U.S. and Mexico are sparring over immigration and trade, but the two countries are joining forces on the high seas.
     
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    The problem is that being ****ed up objectively feels better than living in a shitty, decaying post-industrial hellhole where there's no job opportunities that pay more than 11 dollars an hour. Drug addicts most often come from backgrounds where drugs are the most realistic escape from a shitty life there is.
     
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    Is the from personal experience or do you have some data to back this up?
     
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    That is a lame excuse to do nothing.
     
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    Here's hoping you don't support the concept of government telling doctors how to practice medicine.
     
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    It doesn't really matter what you think it is, because the majority of people care more about not being miserable than what some moralizing poster who posts memes about how the iraq war was actually good thinks
     
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    yep, always amazes me how some support legalization of alcohol but are against Marijuana, considering how much worse for one alcohol is
     
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    Here we have a typical socialist diversion tactic on display.
    WTF does iraq have to do with it?

    Now back to topic.
    Just how much do you think one should make? 20hr? How about 40? Lets just make min. wage 50/hr. Then if those greedy businesses try to raise prices, well put a price freeze on everything. That oughta fix it, right?
     
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    Wages can't be stabilized because capitalism is not stable. Wage labor will have to be abolished.
     
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    It shouldn't amaze you. Alcohol is a much more traditional vice woven deep in the fabric of our culture and many others besides.

    That being said, I favor the legalization of pot as the reduction in harm gained thereby outweighs the downsides.
     
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    true, the crazy thing is, Marijuana is a scheduled one substance and the law is clear, nothing can be a scheduled one substance if it has valid medical uses, the anti-Marijuana folks do not care about the law

    didn't the Presidents brother die from Alcohol?
     
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    the min wage has worked for many many years... no one is asking for a crazy insane raise to 50 an hour... a reasonable min wage is what people requesting, nothing more

    I say tie the min wage to congresses cost of living increases, if congress feels they need a cost of living increase, raise min wage too
     
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    after my surgery I was prescribed OxyContin, I found nothing addictive about it other then it worked at relieving my pain very very well

    I hope this war on drugs does not prevent people in the future from being able to take such a medication to relive their pain as well
     
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    addiction is a problem, people even get addicted to spray paint, we need to find better treatments for addiction rather then banning the items some get addicted too
     
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    Same here - a couple of times in my life I was prescribed Vicodin. Never got more than 10 pills per prescription. That’s the way it should be. People who have chronic pain are the ones that get addicted and doctors need to evaluate each patient on case by case basis and decide whether an addiction is worth fighting the pain, or if there are other alternatives.
     
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    maybe someday they will come up with a test to see who is likely to get addicted, so they can offer treatment and watch them closer or find alternatives

    we even have sex addicts, food adicts, running addicts, ect... some people just get addicted to things easier then others
     
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    I would go for this. I always thought that congressmen or senators pay should be set to a specific multiplier of the median net income for the nation. If the average person or family has a net income of $40k then they would be paid 4 times that or $160,000. This means that if they raise taxes to much then they would lose money and if they don't support evidenced based bills that actually improve the economy and people end up making less then they would lose money. If however they keep taxes to the minimum and don't pass stupid laws that hurt people they will make more money and I have no problems with rewarding them for it. Politicians are like dogs, sometimes you need to give them a treat and sometimes you need to smack them with a rolled up newspaper.
     
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    I hope legalized marijuana can help. It’s not addictive, or not nearly as much as opioids. Maybe someone with chronic pain can take a Tylenol and eat a browny.
     
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