Gun Control Works! Here's the Proof

Gun control works!

The following link to a Wikipedia article gives the murder rate by country. If you scroll down to the table and click on the "Rate" heading to sort the data by homicides per 100,00 inhabitants, you will find that there are 125 countries in the world with lower homicide rates than the United States and only 94 with a higher murder rate. Not only is the murder rate in the United States almost nine times as high as Norway, almost six times as high as Germany, three times as high as France, and more than six times as high as Italy, the United States has a higher murder rate than such countries as Burkina Faso, Madagascar, Palestine, Kazakhstan and Rwanda. What do all of the countries with low murder rates have in common? They all have strict gun control.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

I have seen a number of posts claiming much higher homicide rates in the United Kingdom and Australia than in the United States, some of them with links to websites that promote gun sales. Those claims are false. Since strict gun control was introduced in both the UK and Australia following mass shootings, the murder rate in both countries has fallen drastically.The homicide rate in the UK at last report was 0.92 per 100,000 inhabitants. In Australia it was even lower at 0.51.In the United States it was 4.88. or about five times as high as in the UK and almost ten times as high as Australia.

After the British firearms act was passed in 1997, gun deaths fell from an already low 246 in 1996 to 146 in 2011. Those are all gun deaths including suicides. Firearm homicides fell during the same period fell from 84 to 38, a reduction of well over half.

https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/160801

Thanks to Australian gun legislation, in 2004, there were only 32 gun homicides in a nation of 24 million people and gun suicides dropped by 80 percent.

http://fortune.com/2018/02/20/australia-gun-control-success/

If people are going to participate in a debate about gun control, I wish they would check the facts and not make up statements that anyone who can type into Google can easily disprove. I wish they would also not reference sites whose sole reason for existence is to promote the gun industry and that make up numbers to that end. Of course, I know that many people are not aware of the high cost in human life of the gun culture in the USA. They accept the high murder rate in the USA as something normal. It is not. If you lived in Turkmenistan, your chances of being shot to death would be lower than those in the United States.

 

Meh.

 

The suicide rate went from 11.8 per 100,000 people in 2002 to 12.0 per 100,000 in 2014? What is the relationship of a 0.2% increase in suicides to the subject of gun control? Even if it were relevant, it's lower than the suicide rate in the USA.

 

It's not the gun its the society/culture that is the issue...

 

You can have Norway Germany and France, and I will keep my freedom.
Thanks, have a nice day.

 

Interesting, in that if you take out the six most violent and decrepit Democratic Party-controlled urban areas in the United States it drops the U.S. to almost the bottom of the list.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/25/most-murders-occurred-in-5-percent-of-countys-says/

Fortunately, most of us don't live in these cesspools and unless we decide to visit, it never impacts us.

Why leftists want to impose the same rules on us normal Americans as they impose in these shithole areas they control is rather revealing...

 

Even if you removed those counties and dropped the US murder rate by half, as the article implies, the USA would still have a higher murder rate than any other industrialized country. Don't forget that the US murder rates is five to ten times higher than those of most Western European countries. Kicking the counties with the highest murder rate out of the USA would reduce the homicide problem, not solve it.

 

First, homicides by gun measure justified killings by police and instances of self defense. Also, I'm not sure if you are comparing numbers of murders vs rates of murder per 1,000, as you didn't provide any links.

The U.S., being a large, diverse country has large urban pockets that don't accurately reflect the rest of the country. Here is a chart of murder rates by state vs other countries:



https://mises.org/wire/mistake-only-comparing-us-murder-rates-developed-countries

To use comparisons that include violent urban areas that more resemble a third world shithole than a typical U.S. state is disingenuous.

I'll say it again: Why leftists want to impose the same rules on us normal Americans as they impose in these shithole areas they control is rather revealing...

 

Great work Tom. The only problem is the US is not Australia. Perhaps you should pick a country that has it's citizens well armed like Switzerland. Oh ya, they monitor who they let into their country and if you act up you are expelled to Sweden the rape capital of the world.

 

I provided a number of links in my opening post. Murder rates are murders per 100,000 inhabitants as is shown on the sites I linked to in the opening post. Scroll up.

A graph comparing carefully selected states in the USA with select developing countries like Venezuela and Mexico is not what people want to see. Our standard should be other advanced countries like ours. Having a lower murder rate in Idaho than in Venezuela is setting the bar extremely low. We need to have a higher standard than being better than the worst of the worst.

 

OK, here you go. As you could have easily verified before shooting from the hip, the murder rate in Switzerland is 0.69 per 100,000 inhabitants. The rate in the USA is seven times higher than that of Switzerland. Nice try at trying to change the subject to rape, but his thread is about the efficacy of gun control.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

 

Just the first wiki page you linked had homicide rates by continent, yet I don't see where it spoke of firearms?

The other two links just referred to the UK and Australia.

And contrary to your statement, I think it is far more accurate to compare U.S. states to other countries rather than the U.S. as a whole. The chart I provided was not to compare those states with Venezuela and the like, but rather the northern European countries of Latvia and Lithuania as well as Canada.

I couldn't find a chart with U.S. states and other parts of Europe, but you'll see the states listed, with a one to two percent rate, are similar...

 

You made my point perfectly.
Lots of guns do not mean a high murder rate.
Lots of cultures and lack of discipline do.

Thank you

 

In the first link to the Wikpedia article, scroll down to the chart of homicide rates by country. It's just a little bit below the rates by continent. Note that the title of the link includes the words "List_of_countries." Here's the link again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

 

You misread the title of the thread. It's about gun control, not about the number of guns in the possession of members of the militia. Switzerland has very strict gun control laws. However, most Swiss males are obligated to be members of the militia and are permitted to keep their guns at home, which many do. In Switzerland, as in most of the industrialized world, strict gun-control laws work.

If you are capable of and interested in reading an article on the comprehensive Swiss gun-control laws, I recommend this link on the Library of Congress website.

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/switzerland.php

 

I have pointed out before that Russia has less than half the U.S. population, twice the murder rate, and is not known for its second amendment rights. It has been pointed out here that numbers presented here may include justifiable and self defence shootings, and are heavily weighted by the murder rate in Democrat controlled areas with strict gun control. These things should have an effect on your belief that gun control is the answer to violence, but does not seem to.

 

So you think that if the Vatican decided to give every resident a gun, their murder rate would skyrocket?

 

Russia is not a modern democratic country. It is a country with a dysfunctional government. It does not set a standard to which the United States should aspire. We should compare ourselves to other modern countries.

When you were doing your research to blame the Democrats for cities with the highest murder rates, did you research Savannah, San Bernadino, North Charleston SC, Miami, and Waco? They all have high murder rates and are run by Republicans. Our political parties are not responsible for our high murder rate. Our love affair with firearms is responsible.

 

22 vets a day, support our troops!

 

It is a country with a dysfunctional government.

Bwa ha ha ha ha, oh man, you're american?

 

No. The residents of the Vatican are too busy chasing little boys around. However, the murder rate would skyrocket if the Vatican handed a gun to every visitor as he or she entered through the portals.

 

And you are? A Russian troll?

 

More than gun control, prevention works. Where i live, they discovered and disarmed a potentially dangerous guy who was posing with guns and knives on facebook, and saying weird stuff. His friends immediately called the police and took away all his weapons. This is how you prevent shootings...

 

An american with a front row seat to our dysfunctional system. But hey, whatever props up your illusions.

 

Odd how this sort of thing never (as of yet) happens in the halls of congress, airports, NRA national conventions, or a myriad of other gun free zones.