I support war and terrorism, not political diplomacy against the North Korean government

The US and South Korea clearly don't care that this is essentially Nazi Germany. We shouldn't negotiate with them. In an ideal world the regime should be tried and convicted for the atrocities that they've committed just like the Nazis. However, the world doesn't have the guts to do what is necessary. The only solution is to try or exterminate them. This is a country that is essentially holding 25 million people hostage and sending those who disagree with them to death camps. Somebody needs to stand up to the North Koreans and remove their regime from power. The people can't organize a movement from within, because any sign of doing so and their whole family is sent to death camps. Peaceful protesting will not work. I hope that if no government is willing to take Kim Jong Un out there is a vigilante force working to do so, perhaps South Koreans who get their hands on drone technology. I fully support the use of any and all means to remove these people from power, including terrorist attacks against the state. Will I do anything myself? No. I'm just saying, I support it, because it's the morally correct approach. Everyday that goes by more and more innocent people are being killed or sentenced to death camps by these Nazis.

 

That ship sailed the second they obtained thermonukes and a way to deliver them. Thank Bill Clinton for that.

 

I'm just glad North Korea hasn't invaded us for locking up our citizens en masse and giving our children poison water

 

Trump found a better way

Kim Says He’ll Give Up Weapons if U.S. Promises Not to Invade
South Korean officials said the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-un, had told them that he would abandon his nuclear weapons if Washington ended the Korean War and promise not to invade his country.

nytimes.com

 

Attacking North Korea unprovoked will be a war crime. That is what you are suggesting.

You want to take out KJU? How about grabbing a rifle and a few of your drunk friends, go over there and have at it. Won't do it? <Mod Edit- Rule 3/4>

 

I agree. I don't support the state doing anything that I would not personally be willing to do myself. Such as take other people's money, for example.

 

Perhaps you need to talk to the IRS about that. But you won't because like the OP, you are all hot air.

 

That entails withdrawing troops from the DMZ and out of Korea. I doubt Trump would do so.

 

I would not feel justified to personally tax any of my neighbors. Nor would I feel justified grabbing a gun to have at it. I don't own my fellow man.

 

Per your logic, the state is "stealing" your money. You don't think it's just. Again, go talk to the IRS about them "stealing" your money and get back with us to see how well that discussion went.

 

Yes, the state steals. That's what it does.

 

Well, unless Kim changes his mind, he said a few days ago, American troops didn't have to leave to have peace.

 

I fully support the US in committing war crimes against North Korean government. As I said, I also fully support terrorism against their regime. I'm not going to do it myself. I wouldn't even know how. Even if I did, I admit that I'm selfish coward and I've got a long life I want to live which takes precedent over the well being of 25 million strangers held captive. I could also live a meager life and prevent multiple people from starving to death in third world countries, but I don't, because I care about my luxuries more. My guess is you most likely do as well. That said, I don't support diplomacy with North Korea. I don't even believe we should do business with any country that does business with them. They're the modern day version of Nazi Germany. They should have to answer for their crimes against humanity just as the Nazis did. It would be nice if the people of North Korea could protest the regime peacefully, but that will only lead to them getting killed. Let me reiterate, 25 million people are being held hostage in 2018. If you think this is acceptable and they should go unpunished so long as they give up their nukes, then I don't agree with you. In my opinion, their barbaric crimes should not be pardoned.

 

For them to steal you have to own something to begin with. Do people truly own anything? I would argue that everything material that everybody has is simply borrowed and when something is borrowed the state has rules as to when it must be returned.

 

Yes, I do. My home, my cars, my tools, etc.

Borrowed from whom?

 

Borrowed from society. Can you truly own a home? From my understanding there's taxes on homes everywhere. If you don't pay those taxes the government will kick you out. All of your personal items can be taken by the state for various reasons.

 

We went to war with Iraq on a lie then used the excuse that we liberated their people. See how well that turned out. Not-at-all. You are neither judge or jury to decide the fate of North Korea. They are a sovereign nation.

 

Ah, yeah. The violence you guys all advocate.

 

1. I see Iraq as very different. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Saddam wasn't holding his citizens hostage like this.
2. You can say I'm not the judge or jury to decide the fate of North Korea, but I can give my opinion on what I think we should do. This is the opinions section of the forum after all. I couldn't care less about their sovereign nation status. I already said that I fully support terrorist attacks against their government. I'm not going to let national/international law determine my views. I feel that any system that allows such a country to exist in 2018 is a broken system.

 

We have finite resources. Why do you believe you should be able to hoard them? Does any other species in the animal kingdom respect hoarders or even property rights? Property rights, like all other rights, aren't entitled, they're negotiated. They help avoid a chaotic war like environment among everyday people. As with other rights we've negotiated it makes sense not to view everything as black or white, but to look in the gray area. If people were able to hold onto all of their resources they have been given or earned, only giving out of charity when choosing to do so, I'm not certain we would have made the critical investments needed to advance society as we have up until this point in time.

 

You know how many empty promises this country has made? He's not worked this hard to get nukes for this long, to hand them over. He does not care about the 'Korean war' ending and he is not interested in Trump's promises. He wants those sanctions lifted for more empty promises and that is what Trump will give him. We will hear lots of hoorays and everyone will pat each other on the back, but the Korean nuclear threat is never going away. Never.

 

1. Iraq was not any different than North Korea. In fact it was much worse. Saddam have his own citizens killed. Quite amazing you claim otherwise.

2. You want to advocate terrorism, then you can go live in some countries that are famous for it....say Iran, or Afghanistan.

 

So you're advocating violence?

 

Why can't America ever fight a war in some really nice place that has a whole lot of hot looking round eye girls and a climate comparable to San Diego ?

Instead we always find our self's fighting a war in some shithole country either in some freaking hot desert or some humid hot jungle or in some freaking freezing place where it's 30 degrees below zero.

Fighting a war in Korea is something American soldiers, Marines, sailors and airmen don't want.

Below is from a thread started two months ago in the PF Military Forum.

When hell freezes over: How the Corps plans to win a cold weather fight in Russia or North Korea

Served along side a few officers and SNCO's who were Marine combat vets of the Korean War. Listened to their sea stories about the "Frozen Chosin" The freezing cold and massive Chi-Com frontal attacks whith Chi-Com bugles blowing and thousands of Ch-Com soldiers coming over the hill, bayonets fixed and the ice and snow and freezing weather.

Knew more than a few Koreans war vets both Marines and soldiers who served in Korea during the war, They didn't talk about it much except how freaking cold it was.

But I remember the first time I had to work outside when it was well below zero and I started thinking of the stories I was told, those poor son of bitches, how did they survive ?



Excellent article below well worth reading.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/when-hell-freezes-over.526842/

 

Against North Korea I support violent. I am also advocating for the forcible removable of people's possessions when they don't pay their taxes. Do you consider that violence? I don't. I guess it could get violent if that person tries to put up a fight. Violence could be appropriate given the situation.