Carnage on Gaza border as Palestinians shot dead by Israeli

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see you have been convinced with Hamas propaganda.
     
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    They seemed to want to. About the only group of slaves in history that had to be freed by the very people that enslaved them.
    What did they think would happen?
    When is a circle of violence justification for anything?
     
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    Same thing the Germans said about the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto.
     
  4. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please splain? What principle is zat?
     
  5. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Really it is not for me to say but going by what has already been promised I support a two state solution giving the Palestinians a contiguous viable state on pre 67 lines with all of East Jerusalem as its Capital or if that is no longer possible due to Israeli illegal settlement then a One state with citizenship and equal rights for all as well as some compensation for what they have been put through. If two States they would require massive protection until they had built up their own military.

    Some Berbers used to live in Scotland. They need a home. Do you really think we would allow them to come and take over our country! Hell we would not even allow the Scot's who were transported or sometimes chose to go to North America to do that though they would be welcome if they wish to return home. Scotland is not full.

    Even that is different to believing people have the right to take from other people because of their religion - and most of these people were not even followers of Judaism. Rabbi Shapiro says Zionism was not to get way from antisemitism but to get away from Judaism...and here if you believe everyone should move to where the religion they do not have was born why are you not making room for all the Christians of the world. You could possibly find room for the Christian Right in your share of a two state solution.
     
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    We dont need a false flag, Iran will remain in Syria for decades and will try to train their new proxy there, its our pleasure to **** with that.
     
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    His parents should take him to kinder garden not to a battle field.
     
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    You are using all these big buzz words and a lot of them to avoid saying the obvious

    The palestanians refused to accept the UN partion plan in 1947 and they have been a displaced people ever since

    They could have made a lasting peace at anytime and made a new nation for themselves on the land the do have but refuse to do so
     
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    Tit for tat then?
     
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    The question should not be, does the Israeli state have the right to shoot dead the Palestinians attempting to cross the border, but rather, was it wise to do so?
    From videos I have seen, people were shot for throwing stones. Again, don't quarrel about whether a state has the 'right' to shoot stone-throwers, but ask whether
    Israel has benefitted from this, or not.

    I suspect Hamas are gloating at the outcome, because they have received enormously favorable publicity all over the world as a result of this.

    Of course, people who want to see Israel wiped off the map will protest at anything Israel does, short of committing mass suicide. People who would like to see all the Palestinians drop dead, will support
    anything Israel does.

    But from the point of those who don't want to see Israel destroyed, but don't have a blood-and-soil loyality to either side, was the Israeli action wise? Have they not lost more than they have gained?

    Edmund Burke, the intellectual father of conservatism, was sympathetic to the American colonists in rebellion. He put it this way in the House of Commons, speaking of punitive actions of the Crown against the Americans: 'Granted, we have the right to make them unhappy. But have we not the interest, to make them happy?'
     
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    The topic is that as many Jews were refugees from Arab countries as were Arabs.
    At the same time in Europe there were 50 times more refugees than Arabs and Jews together.
    The numbers in Asia, Africa and other places in the world are much much higher.
    None of those refugees grandchildren all over the world cry today that their grandfather was a refugee once.
     
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    The topic is the Israeli massacre of Palestinians including children.
     
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    What are you talking about ???
    Killing thousands of young men using their right to protest just because they are Muslim ?
    Gaza's fence is a border !
    No one should illegally cross a border.. especially with a knife to kill civilians who live behind the border.
    Those Bedouins "young men" recived 100 $ to protest violently .. Life is what you make it.
    I am Christian who knows that the holy land does not belong to you or other "Palestinians" !
    I also know all obout the Paleshtino wall of lies.
     
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    No.
    The topic is Palestinian Bedouin violence and Hamas sending kids to fight while they sleep in luxury hotels and send their kids to learn in Europe's best universities.
     
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    True.
    The Only ones that moan and maon , cry and continue to moan are those who call themselves "Palestinians".
    They want to remain a bleeding wound next to the tiny Jewish state.
     
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    My my, the mainstream news outlets are suddenly not fake fks any more.

    Guffaw.


    No, and I suggested no such thing. I'm quite sure Israel's a shithole nation, though.
     
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    Yeah .. the lack of proper journalism in our MSM is stunningly bad when it comes to anything related to the Establishment narrative.

    Consider this. Many on this site - as you have well noticed - tout the Establishment narrative as "Truth" . In general folks that would bother to come on here pay far more attention than the raging masses in general. So what is the perspective of the raging masses.

    Scary thought.
     
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    It basically means that if you have a crowd of civilians outside some fence, and a few of them throw a few rocks, you are not allowed to indiscriminately open fire into the crowd.

    There have been 6 journalists shot. Things are getting ridiculous. This makes Tiananmen square look like restraint.
     
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    I'm sorry my friend. One of us is severely under-informed, and it's ain't me.
     
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    Arson Kites.

    From the same Hollywood no-hopers as 'Terror Tunnels'.

    Arson Kites.

    Hamas tools of war, along with children.

    Terrifying, really. I'm surprised the brave Israelis haven't demanded more money from the US to deal with this direct threat to the very existence of every Jew, ever.

    Except the gay, lefty, commie, weak, snowflake ones in American - which is pretty much every Jew under the age of 30 - who've wandered off the zioplantation. They're fake Jews now. Anti-Semites. Haters.
     
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    I do believe it is you :)

    Consider the Law of Armed Conflict (LOAC)

    4 Basic Principles


    (1) Distinction – “In order to ensure respect for and protection of the civilian population and civilian objects, the Parties to the conflict shall at all times distinguish between the civilian population and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives and accordingly shall direct their operations only against military objectives.” [Additional Protocol 1, Article 48] The only legitimate object of attack in an armed conflict is military personnel or property. This does not mean that civilians cannot be legally harmed or killed under the law only that civilians and civilian property should not be the object or the purpose of the attack. **Protects non-combatants **

    (2) Proportionality – “Loss of life and damage to property incidental to attacks must not be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage expected to be gained.” [U.S. Army Field Manual FM27-10: Law of Land Warfare]. The key here is the word incidental, meaning outside of the military target. This means that when considering a target the damage to civilians and their property cannot be excessive in relation to the military advantage gained. Proportionality is not a requirement if the target is purely military. This principle brings with it an obligation to consider all options when making targeting decisions: verify the target, timing (is there a time when fewer civilians will be around?), weapons used, warnings and evacuations for civilian populations. **Protects Non-combatants **

    (3) Military Necessity – “…[E]very injury done to the enemy, even though permitted by the rules, is excusable only so far as it is absolutely necessary; everything beyond that is criminal.” – Napoleon [Solis, Law of Armed Conflict p 258]. The principal of military necessity prohibits things such as wounding or permanently injuring an opponent except during the fight, torture to exact confessions and other activities simply used to inflict additional damage on the enemy that does not further the military objective. The Liber Code defines the prohibited activity as, “in general, … any act of hostility that make the return to peace unnecessarily difficult. **Protects Combatants**

    (4) Unnecessary Suffering – “It is prohibited to employ weapons, projectiles and materials and methods of warfare of a nature to cause superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering.” [Additional Protocol I, Article 35.2] **Protects Combatants**

    https://loacblog.com/loac-basics/4-basic-principles/

    We can get into the Geneva Convention and other international norms and morays but the above is a descent summary. Israel is in violation of a number of the above principles and it is no secret that the vast majority of the world is now condemning Israel for these violations and war crimes.
     
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    Always the result of certain actions is important. What we have in the end (After the transfer of the embassy to Jerusalem). - In Turkey, declared a three-day mourning. The ambassador and consul general of Israel were expelled from the country and vice versa: Ankara withdrew its ambassadors from Washington and Tel Aviv for consultations. Recep Tayyip Erdogan, after telephone consultations with the leaders of the Arab world, including the King of Saudi Arabia and the Emir of Kuwait, announced the convening of an emergency summit of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation. It will be held in Istanbul on Friday.

    If we add here a return to the sanctions policy against Iran, we can be sure: the US authority in the entire Middle East, systematically strengthened over the past decades, is suddenly lost, if not forever, then for a very long time. Moreover, I would include Israel, because the threat of terrorism here has incredibly increased.

    I do not see the benefits for the US.
     
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    I see you have been fooled with Netanyahu propaganda. See how easy that is? A guy who has repeated the same lies for decades and you just eat it up. Funny how you apparently don’t think there are any innocent people in Gaza. It’s always as simple as black and white with right wingers. Nuance doesn’t exist.
     
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    OH NO! NOT THE ARSON KITES!! ANYTHING BUT THE ARSON KITES!!!
     
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