Carnage on Gaza border as Palestinians shot dead by Israeli

You started out well but then descended into myopic partisan generalization. Iran's activity in Israel can hardly be considered a proxy war and the idea of Palestinians being duped is a false narrative. The reason they have no weapons is because Iran is not sending them "real -weapons".

Every dead Muslim is a propaganda win for El Saud as well - regardless the Iranian people have enough on their plate at home to worry too much about the Palestinians. They do worry about Israel's provocation. Luckily Russia appears to want to part of the Iran/Israel conflict. Your comment on Egypt is correct - they want no part of the issue.

 

Actually, it is key.

Every group from Sumerians, Persians, Egyptians, Romans, Amorites (Babylonians) and Assyrians to the Greeks, Romans, Arabs and Turks have occupied or attempted to occupy Jerusalem precisely for its strategic location.

Then the Israelis have every right to take whatever actions are necessary to prevent terrorism.

 

Sure looks like a proxy war or at least the beginning stages of one to me. Iran funding and arming Hamas, knowing they will attack Israel who they have vowed to destroy. The only thing Russia wants out of this is to sell arms. Which is becoming harder for them since their arms do not fare well when pitted against American weapons. They backed off on sending their better anti-aircraft missiles into this arena. This leads me to believe they are not effective either and they do not want the humiliation of launching them without results. However, Iran has little choice but to take their second rate equipment.

 

The fascist government of Israel is the closest thing to fascism on earth.
Palestinians deserve 2d Amendment rights in order to fight its tyranny. Only a pro fascist bigoted hater would deny this.

 

1) The rockets the Hamas are using are a joke. Basically large fireworks. If Iran was supplying Hamas with rockets made by a nation state .. .one that is actually pretty good and making rockets ... there would be hell to pay.

2) Russia did not use its missiles against the US Tomahawks. Russia was made aware prior to the launch and its missile defense was not activated.

You are obviously not aware of Russian missile technology. It is more advanced than ours in many ways.

 

What Craziness is this. We have a protest against colonisation of land and holding captive for 50 years with no rights and for ten years under siege with no ability to trade and with ones territory three times destroyed resulting in one's territory no longer being fit for human habitation. We have trying to resolve the difficulties by forming a Unity Government resulting in the worst ever onslaught killing over 2,000, around 550 children and destroying their only power plant resulting in them still 4 years on not having proper sanitation having only 10% of their water fit for drinking, having only 3 or 4 hours a day electricity, plus the Israelis having stopped allowing people out for almost anything including medical treatment resulting in people dying and on and on and on - and you imagine young people protesting this disgusting situation as being Iran in a proxy war. Clearly the desire to hide from the obvious inhumanity US citizens cheer on all for God makes you go after more and more inhumanity.

Israel may be as the Mr Truth says the most fascist state in the world but the US is its very close second. Being the only Superpower has destroyed what once thought it was a beacon of democracy and human rights to the most despicable cruelty - and all for 'God'. This God must be the most inhumane creature ever invented.

 

This is the real reason the US provides bombs for Israel to kill Palestinian children and destroy their infrastructure leaving them without the basic needs for life and the reason US civilians whoop it up seeing Palestinian unarmed civilians being massacred - all religion.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/j...howing-jewish-temple-place-al-aqsa-1023975841

He then claimed he did not know what he was posing against which is clearly not true. The intent to take over Al Aqsa is ongoing

https://aawsat.com/english/home/article/1275281/around-300-israeli-settlers-break-al-aqsa-mosque

For any who are not aware not only do Israelis want Al Aqsa replaced with the Third Jewish Temple but so do the American Christian Right.

 

As Dan Cohen correctly says

https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/999027674340298752

 

The effects of propaganda are strong with the right wing crowd in relation to Israel.

 

The Palestinians are asking for help from the ICC.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...open-probe-israel-crimes-180522101121093.html

And yes, we all know both Israel and the United States are above International Law and cannot at the moment be touched by it. However while we have history. lets have a proper account.

 

There has been protests in Haifa by both Jews and Arabs I think about the massacre of unarmed civilians in Gaza. This was responded to violently by Israel and 21 Arab protesters were arrested and held in prison. However with good work going on between everyone they managed to get at least 19 released. 972 however warns against this being seen as a sign that Israeli justice is working.

https://972mag.com/in-haifa-a-display-of-palestinian-grassroots-power/135634/

 

Why do you support Arab terrorists? Do you like and admire ISIS too? The Palestinians VOTED in Hamas to lead them. They pay families of those who die as "martyrs." They encourage and teach violence to children whom they brainwash. Perhaps if they recognize Israel's right to exist and throw Hamas out, their lives would change for the better. But, no, instead they choose hatred. I can see why Libs like them, but to me, they are not noble. They are just antisemites. Grow up...

 

The hatred and ignorance clearly comes from you.

The Palestinians have not acknowledged Israel once but three times yet you still pretend they did not, to try to justify the maiming and killing of thousands of unarmed Palestinian civilians including children, the disabled and the Press.

Talking of Trump

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n07/henry-siegman/the-ultimate-deal

https://www.juancole.com/2018/05/palestines-activists-debunked.html

 

Sure. Lets. Just what is being happening in Israel during last month:

Israel’s GDP is up 4.2%
Intel is investing $5bln into a new factory
USA, Guatemala, Paraguay have openned embassies in Jerusalem
First Bedouin boutique hotel in the world is opening in Israel.
First Druze female appointed a judge
Israeli hi-tech exports increased 26.8% in the first three months of 2018
Israel has signed free trade deal with Panama
A March of Life is happening in Israel
Forbes brings 700 entrepreneurs to Israel
A medical and technological good news to benefit the World abounds, and I can fill 2 pages with them
And so on, in just one month.

What”s happening in Palestine? Are they still fly Molotov kites for peace?

 

You really are gullible. Look up their charter from last year.

If what you said is true, they would already be working on the peace process. If you look at the 2017 charter, under the heading Occupation and Political Solutions, #19 says: "there shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist entity. Whatever has befallen the land of Palestine in termsof occupation,settlement building, judaisation, or changes to its features or falsification of facts is illegitimate. Rights never lapse."
The Palestinians freely elected a terrorist group to lead them. They are not interested in compromise. Their economy is based on handouts from nations including the US. I hope Trump cuts them off completely. There is evil in the world and terrorists are evil. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs his head examined. When the Palestinians overthrow Hamas, maybe peace can finally be achieved.

 

no, what I said was accurate. The Palestinians have three times recognised Israel. You claimed they had not. In addition

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n07/henry-siegman/the-ultimate-deal
You are putting your blame in the wrong place.

Are you seriously that naive as to think it is the Palestinians who have not allowed a peace process. Why do you support Israel so much even supporting her massacring and maiming thousands of unarmed young people, some of them children, some of them disable and some of them the press. What could possibly be so important to you that you would support this. Would you support your own government doing this to people in your own country you don't like?

They will not accept the Zionist entity or the occupation. They will accept Israel behind 67 lines. That has been Hamas's position for a very long time. It is the Likud Party, Netanyahu's party whose first charter by Hamas was written in repose to. They wanted all of Palestine from the sea to the river. With America's help they have been taking this. Palestine has now gone to the ICC over this. I just wish the US could also be charged because of its complicity as without that complicity there would likely now be two states and there very likely would not have been the destruction of the Middle East with the millions of Muslims murdered by that and the same religious fanatics would not be intent on destroying Iran.

They elected Hamas in a democratic election. The two reasons I have heard that Hamas got the most votes was due to corruption in Fatah and because they believed they had been sold a lie with the two state solution.

In addition to that Hamas said that it would be prepared to be involved in peace talks. That is why they voted for Hamas.
Further the EU put in people to work on conflict resolution in order to get Hamas to the table. The M16 who worked with Hamas was happy that he could work with them and was near achieving that.

Then and only then was it decided to pull him out and to declare Hamas a terrorist group.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v33/n05/alastair-crooke/permanent-temporariness

Without discussions with Hamas no peace deal could be forthcoming. A group who is labelled 'terrorist' cannot be brought into peace negotiations. The only rational explanation for ending negotiations with Hamas at that time was clearly to avoid a two state solution.

But that was used to allow Israel to bomb these people and kill thousands and cause permanent injury to tens of thousands.
Those responsible should be taken to the ICC and made to pay appropriate reparations for the absolutely massive crimes they have committed.

Gaza was not involved in negotiations for Israeli settlements leaving and would never have agreed to what happened. Had they had the opportunity to conduct proper economic activity from the beginning they would have had an opportunity to be successful. Israel however decided against that and left them no chance. This clearly was deliberate.

Now I have grandchildren arriving back from school so need to give them attention.

 

There was some collateral damage which is common in war but most of the palestinians who were killed were Hamas members - AKA terrorists. Shame on the non-Hamas members for participating in such a dangerous adventure.

 

Why do you object to democracy in action? People have a right of self determination. After all, the USA was founded on that principle. Shouldn't everyone else have the same freedom as we do???

 

Indeed they do. Hence, Gazans got themselves exactly the government they deserve

 

I suggest you look up Bill Clinton's opinion as to who torpedoed peace talks. Hint: it wasn't the Israelis. I will ask again why you support terrorism.

 

Is terrorism always wrong? I use the word 'terrorism' to mean violent attacks against civilians, or violence which has a good chance of killing civilians even if the ostensible target is military. (For example, a bomb in bar frequented by soldiers.)

If the cause is just, is not killing innocent people worth it? For example, if you are trying to liberate your people, to get them a nation-state of their own, is it not permissible to kill ordinary members of other nationalities?

 

Is it right or wrong? Good question. How is it working out for the Palestinians?

 

I don't have a problem with Israelis replacing that mosque with a third temple. That was the location of the temple in antiquity and the Muslims knew that when they built their mosque on the site in an act of cultural imperialism. The shoe may be shifting to the other foot.

 

If you believe terrorism is just for the reason you mentioned than would the victims of your terrorism be justified if they counter-attacked with terror? For example let us say that Iranian terrorists attacked a restaurant in Tel Aviv with machine guns and hand grenades killing 100 people. Would Israel be justified in send an air attack over Teheran dropping bombs and missiles that killed 1,000 people?

 

No. Not intentionally. Collateral damage should also be avoided at all costs.

****, however, does happen.