What if Trumpism isn't an Abberation but the New Norm?

I've said it before, on PF.

I spent eight years (during the Obama administration), completely ignoring politics. If a news report came on, I would change the channel, turn it off, r mute it for a while. I wasn't a big sports fan previously, but I immersed myself in sports.

That is the only reason I stayed sane.

 

Interesting. How do you know that exactly?

What makes you so confident?

Eisenhower warner us against a New World Order. Trump is listening to him. That's smart.

The only responsibility that the US has is to itself, just like any other country on this planet.

And that would be a problem why exactly?

 

I've lived in several European countries, and you are sadly misinformed. Most of what you wrote is more applicable to the United States than to most Western European countries.

 

If you're globe-trotting, then you're most likely either upper class, or govt, or both, and experiencing the upper class areas, where the problems created by globalism are painstakingly hidden from.

 

Or, it could be that I stayed in hostels, carried a backpack, and hiked halfway across Spain. I suppose you are too young to remember the book "Europe on Five Dollars a Day." We used to think five dollars was far too much money to spend. Now, in my old age, $15 to $20 a day is my budget. I also spent a year as a poor student at a French university and living in a small room with the bathroom down the hall.

When I was young, most students knew that you didn't have to be upper class to travel the world if you were willing to rough it. I wish more Americans would travel abroad and mix with the locals these days. Low-budget travel broadens one's outlook and extinguishes prejudices.

When I was young, the United States was far ahead of Europe in almost everything except health care. Today, our country seems backward compared to most of Western Europe (Italy and Greece excepted).

 

Im guessing 'when you were young' was quite a bit before the problems I listed were readily apparent in european society, which would onky be in the last decade or so at the outside.

 

If Dirty Donaldism is the new normal ,GOD SAVE US ONE AND ALL!!!

 

There's every chance worse is to follow Trump. He hasn't just loosened off and given legitimacy to the dim witted so expect to see plenty of much more openly fascistic and sharp-as-a-tack participants show up and not just in the US.

 

Funny how regressives are now all in for things like "our responsibilities". Okay, but most all of NATO nations are not paying their fair share of defense, and Trump has repeatedly put them on notice over that, and they would like to see him gone and return to the status quo ante. They have been freeloading on our backs for defending them since 1945, and build their social welfare programs on our backs.

Funny to how there are stories every month about the mess that Britain's socialized single payer is, and the regressives wish that on America. The Post Office giving us healthcare, or VA-care for all. They actually do not care about health care, but the power it gives government over the People.

 

Post office giving us healthcare?

 

"What if Trumpism isn't an Abberation but the New Norm?"

Party! Party! Party! Party!

 

A broken federal agency, always in need of more money. Always underperforming.

 

How are they giving healthcare to people?

 

It's a metaphor.

 

Well I'm glad that you understand the metaphor! I certainly don't.

 

The post office is a government agency.

The post office is losing money... it is unsustainable outside of taxpayer support. It suffers from incompetant, or unaccountable management.

Imagine the post office running our healthcare system. That is what we would get with a government healthcare system.

 

I have no issue with telling NATO members to spend 2 percent of GDP on defense. The goal was set for 2024, I think it could be moved up a bit in light of recent events. Many nations like the U.K., Poland, and France seem to exceed that mark some years already. I know Trump tends to get credit for saying things just because he says them loudly, but he's far from the first U.S. politician to express this view. Obama said the same thing. The difference is that Trump's talent for alienating the world makes NATO weaker, not stronger. It's likely that Europe will spend a bit more on defense now, but only because NATO is now weaker. It won't compensate for an absence of U.S. power, if such a situation arises.

While we're on the subject of GDP, Britain's healthcare system costs them about 10%. Ours costs us 17.8%. Despite that huge difference, any overall advantage is still pretty debatable. In many metrics, the U.S. is worse. For example, we have a higher rate of "deaths amenable to healthcare." In short, that means our system lets more people die that didn't need to die. So what are we paying for exactly?

 

Or the DMV.

We see stories almost weekly about the mess in Briatin with the NHS.

 

The Brits get what they pay for. And who cares? We can spend whatever we wish on our own healthcare. You people never pay attention to the weekly articles that show the horrors of the NHS. Including death panels for young children.

It was Øbama who made NATO weaker by weakening our own defense. They were scrounging for parts for repairs. Øbama was an 8-year horror show on many levels. That includes national defense, and the ruining of the healthcare through Øbamacare. You know, an average savings of $2000, etc., etc., etc.

Trump offended the Europeans? Poor babies! Behind the scenes, they know he is far tougher than Øbama.

 

Considering that you didn't respond to me, I'm assuming that @Thought Criminal's analysis of your post was accurate?

 

If you take the Bay area of California, Trump wins the national vote.

obama was not representative of the USA. He did not represent blacks, or whites, or conservatives, or American identity. He represented globalism and "progressives", but not anything related to America.

Bush '43 was terrible, his policies were a mess, and he set the stage for the domestic and global disaster that obama created (in a real sense, obama was the 3rd and 4th terms of Bush).

So if that's your idea of "traditional" and "normal", then you utterly FAIL. I'll take gladly have Trump over Bush 41, Bush 43, Clinton (any of them), obuma.

In fact, I'll vote against any Bush or Clinton or obuma or prog or rino, no matter who their opponent is.

Its people like you and the politicians you support who resulted in Trump.

 

We have become backward over the past fifty years, most European countries, which were way behind us in the mid 1970's, have surpassed us in upgrading and modernizing their countries.Our infrastructure has not been upgraded or modernized in the past 50 years.Our airports,seaports railroads,public transit systems,water works and sewerage systems,highways all need to be brought into the 21st century.We can thank Eisenhower for our interstate highway system and little has been done to improve it since.

 

Which politicians do I support? I don't remember mentioning any.

 

When I was young, Europe was still recovering from the Second World War and had a lot of problems. Today, Western Europe is far ahead of the United State (Italy and Greece excepted). Less inequality, much better infrastructure, better educated populace, better healthcare, longer lifespan. You should spend some time there. It might change your mind. Travel is the enemy of prejudice.

 

Trumpery is a novelty act, and democracy will be saved by the demographic reality of America. The "Glorious Leader!" hailed by neo-nazis and other white supremacists is the ugly death rattle of a long-privileged racial and gender profile. Growing diversity is the antidote.