Ireland about to progress?

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    There are those, refusing to distinguish between a microscopic, mindless aggregate of cells and an actual person, who are rabid in their insistence that The State seize control of the womb of every woman, the geezers in government being aided and abetted by self-righteous hypocritical religionists.

    For some, the Dark Ages have been resistant to illumination.

    Here comes the sun.
     
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    I didn't knew Ireland have banned abortion, reminds me of communist countries, sad.

    It is said that will increase the much needed population, but frankly women or couples think it's an economic disaster. And it is. Untill the cost of having a child will drop people will reconsider having babies.

    That combined with anti family propaganda and overcrowding are the main factors of low births in the west.
     
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    Low sperm viability in the male population is a leading cause of low birth rates in many white European ancestry males.
     
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    zer0lis Well-Known Member

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    Why would you say that? Is it related to food or white male being less physical fit to impregnate? I'm curious
     
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    Scientists know there is a problem, but they don't know what is causing it??Could be cell phones??Just a guess.
     
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    Wouldn't that affect all males?
     
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    It probably will eventually, it's just that we whites have had them longer and cannot seem to live without them.
     
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    Progress! Ain't it grand?
    Surrendering absolute power over wombs to The State, especially one subjected to intense theocratic intimidation, is a vanishing vestige of bureaucratic subjugation.
     
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    Considering that Same sex marriage passed in Ireland with 62% voting in favour, is the abortion vote even in doubt?
     
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    Some were predicting that it would be much closer.

     
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    So, the State, a gov't by and for a people, should never protect human life from those that so cavalierly kill it? In what universe? A murderous universe?
     
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    Most folks do not regard a microscopic, mindless amalgam of cells as a person, and the government forcing such a bizarre notion upon everyone is not democratically supported.

    Once an actual person has developed during the gestative process, that person is then protected, as is, again, the societal consensus - neither accepting the position of extremists who claim a person instantaneously appears at the moment of conception, nor extremists of the opposite camp who claim society has no role to play until birth.

    Of course, in Ireland, as in other advanced nations, a woman will soon have the freedom to follow her beliefs in such a private matter - within the law.

    Once absolute control has been surrendered to the State, the State can then order abortion as well as prohibit it. E.g., China under its "one child" policy.
     
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    GREAT to see Irish voters punch in their faces those who try to impose backward, childish religious beliefs on others... :applause: :thumbsup:
     
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    The irony in all of this is that the UK has now replaced Ireland as the Western country with the most draconian abortion laws (the Northern Ireland part) Hardline Protestants feel the need for womb control too.
     
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    Up to 12 weeks? How dare you to call it "microscopic, mindless aggregate of cells"? It is a baby with legs, hands, fingers and also heart and brain! How can you call killing it a progress? Ask your mother if she was thinking about you as of " a microscopic, mindless aggregate of cells" while touching her belly when she was 12 weeks into pregnancy. What kind of monsters waits this long before deciding to get rid of the fetus?
     
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    I guess it really depends on how you define "progress".
     
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    well done Ireland. the church has lost a lot of its sway over Irish people as all the news of what it used to get up to has come out.
     
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    Of course, I did not call a 12 week embryo a "microscopic, mindless amalgam of cells."

    That is an accurate description for a period of time following conception. Some would actually insist that a person appears instantaneously at conception, and try to force their peculiar belief upon everyone.

    At your twelve week stage, a human embryo is about 2 - 2 1/2" (hardly "microscopic") Cerebellar development begins later. This may provide you with useful information concerning cerebellum development.

    Whether the twelve-month gestative stage is the criterion will be the determination of the democratically-elected government of Ireland, informed by science and ethics.

    As noted, neither the extremists who fancy an instant person appears at conception, nor the ones who declare society has no authority until birth, can be allowed to force their personal beliefs upon everyone.

    Women, in consultation with medical professionals, spiritual advisers, and loved ones, make their personal decisions within the strictures of the law,; they are not to be dictated to by government bureaucrats unfamiliar with their personal circumstances.
     
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    Amazing how the so called Christian right Evangelicals are so anti abortion yet are the most vehement opponents to allowing those fleeing physical oppression in their home country to apply for political asylum here.So the philosophy is protect the unborn and punish those who have been birthed.
     
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    I support abortion as justifiable killing, I think the right to life crowd gets hung up on a complete prohibition of killing when there are exceptions to the rule.

    But I can see their point of view. I don't think they're malicious, we just disagree is all. They have a reasonable position. I don't like it when abortion advocates claim they just hate women and it has nothing to do with the foetus. That is unfair.

    More than abortion I dislike the people who support abortion. Case in point, New South Wales has half passed a law which criminalises protest within 150m of an abortion centre. That is a gross abuse of power in my view.

    So I'm celebrating for Ireland, but at the same time I think they should keep an eye out to stop things going too far.
     
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    NB: I support abortion.

    They are consistent even if I disagree. They don't want foetuses let in either, the religious right has been quite vocal about wanting to end anchor babies.

    That they don't want to actively kill foetuses is quite distinct from not wanting people to enter the country, born or unborn.
     
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    More dead children!

    Man's evolution from the dark ages continues ....
     
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    Those who oppose a woman being able to decide whether to terminate her pregnancy within the first 12 weeks should be free to proselytize all they want, but there is no justification for their demanding that the coercive power of the State be brought to bear to inflict their beliefs upon others.
     
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    I have long know that.

    The fetus is "precious life" to the righties UNTIL it's born and costs them money, then it isn't "precious" at all. It proves that the only reason they want to "protect a fetus" is to control women.
     
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    NO, no more UNWANTED children...…

    Yup, humans are coming out of the dark ages of imposing their beliefs on everyone else :)
     

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