In the last 12 hours 411 rockets were fired from Gaza into Israel !!

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  1. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course I am. Is there anything you can dispute?
     
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    You won't believe it if I tell you . . . but I'll tell you anyway - the money comes from the European Union. It goes directly to Hamas for ostensibly infrastructure improvements for the Gaza Strip, but Hamas use it to acquire rockets to fire at Israel. I know - you couldn't make it up!
     
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    :roflol::roflol:

    another piece of spin.

    I suggest you look at the true account given by a man who was there fighting for Israel in 48, who has spent years in the Knesset and who also has always stuck to his initial belief in a two state solution.

    In Oslo the Palestinians agreed to allow the Colonialists to take 78% of their ancient homeland. All they asked was that they receive the remaining 22% as a contiguous viable State. That is what Israel must present to honour the Oslo agreement. That in no way is what this offer was.

    Here it is presented in an easy to understand way which even you should manage. Your biggest difficulty may be finding it as I cannot get a link direct. Click on downloads near the bottom of the left hand column and then "A Flash Presentation of Barak's "Generous Offers".

    You will find it was very different to what you have been told although eventually at Taba Arafat did see it as the basis on which they could begin talks. These however never happened as Barak lost the election and so the offer was taken away...so the claim that the Palestinians even refused is a myth.

    http://uriavnery.com/en/hatur.html
     
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    They used to get money from the US too

    But it still begs the question why they dont spend the money on something useful to help the arab people

    Until thry do there will never be a palestanian state
     
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    Exactly - pity the poor bloody Palestinians.
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OH come on the PA did what it was supposed to do. It did Israel's job for it in the West Bank. In return Israel continues to settle Palestinians land and take their resources. Come on, you know that it is just a point of waiting till Israel has it all. The US has never supported a two state solution in anything but words. Ok there have been individuals who have tried. I even heard Bush was to some extent wanting something but the people who must be satisfied are your Christian Right and until the 'Jews' have all the Biblical land to make their prophesies come true the job will not be done. Then of course we are onto Armageddon when they will take 140,000 odd Jews who convert to Christianity with them to rapture leaving the rest of the Jews to die with everyone else. That we are playing out this hideous scene in the 21st Century is beyond belief.
     
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    The US. did support a two state plan in 1947 when the partition was adopted

    But arabs chose a one-state solution that they failed to win with war
     
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    Tell us this then - whenever there's an agreed period of cessation of hostilities, which side is it that always breaks it, Israel or the Palestinians in the guise of Hamas?
     
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    Em...no, not really. Truman did, apparently connected to getting elected needs. Your State Department, Marshal and crew however did not. They correctly identified the situation. They believed it would lead to continuous war, the Zionists always after more land while always claiming it was for their security and in addition it was completely ruining the aspirations they had promised to the world in that they would support self determination and oppose Colonisation and Imperialism.


    At the time the US was held in high esteem by the Arabs. Your State Department realised that by betraying their stated ideals in this way they would lose that. They foresaw big problems for the ME if there was any partitioning. That is one of the reason why although the US did vote for partition and Truman was I think the first to acknowledge the new State with the word Jewish scored out, the US had minimum involvement with Israel till after she had sunk Liberty. You will also find if you look back on US Jewish periodicals that they did not have much support for Israel at this time either. I hear it was hardly mentioned.

    The British archives say that the Arabs were prepared to accept a solution but the Zionists, the ones who had gained power as being very aggressive, indeed they compared them to the Nazis were not prepared to accept any treaty which did not provide them such an unfair deal that the Arabs would be unable to accept. In reality this was simply a suggestion, one which only achieved the 2.3rds majority after there had been a break for blackmail and bribery but given that the Arabs did not find it acceptable that was it. It was over. The Zionists for years and years used to use that to justify their ethnic cleansing, colonising and destruction of the history of the Palestinians but recently have given up on this. I think they have a different spin and find that not helpful now.

    Good article on the State Department's position below

    http://ifamericaknew.org/history/realstory.html

    see also
    https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/10/26/the-myth-of-the-u-n-creation-of-israel/

    The Arab armies came in after the 'poor' Zionists had done several massacres and managed by the fear caused by them or by forceful ethnic cleansing to have forced 3-400,000 Palestinian Christian and Muslims off their land. That is why the armies came in. Their people demanded they stop the slaughter. They also did not want more mouths to feed. There was also an agreement between the Zionists, the British and the Jordanians that Jordan take the West Bank 'for the time being' Meir apparently said - the Jordanians also took East Jerusalem as when they went in the Zionists were trying to grab it having already taken West Jerusalem which at the time had a massive Muslim and Christian population and was to be an International Zone according to the deal you are speaking of.

    In addition at the time Israel declared herself the UN was about to announce she was - can't remember the name but that they were going to take control to stop the massacres and ethnic cleansing.

    In addition to this an American and British team were sent to Palestine to see what would be the best situation. They said that if any States were formed they would be fighting for ever and what should be done was that for the time being no States should be formed till this is resolved.
     
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    Israel is by far the main breaker of cease fires. When she has eventually got a reaction from Hamas she will tell the world Hamas has struck so she needs to defend herself but it almost always is Israel - that or a very severe provocation.

    OK by this link between 2012 an 2014 Israel had broken it 191 times and the Palestinians 75 so it remains that Israel is by far the greater breaker of cease fires though maybe not as much as I said. ;)

    https://electronicintifada.net/blog...ates-ceasefires-more-israelis-or-palestinians
     
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    Hamas builds their own rockets which are not too expensive. There isn't starvation in Gaza, people are hungry, but even the US has hunger and food banks. People exaggerate Hamas expenses on weapons and tunnels. It's hardly anything. Meanwhile Qatar has rebuilt many neighborhoods with new housing.

    Israel and the Jews are in total control. They will decide the fate of a Pal state regardless of what the Pals do.

    Meanwhile the Jews murder a 21yo pretty nurse at the border and they cry that the Sniper is the victim. And white people will believe anything.
     
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    If you deny that these terrorist purposely use civilians as shields be hope for as many civilian casualties as possible so people like you can be used as useful idiots you deny reality.
     
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    Israel.

    They steal the identities of members of your tribe to commit severely provocative extra judicial executions abroad and your tribe rolls on over.

    "Oh that's OK, Israel is always right about everything. Have you seen how many Nobel prizes the Jews get? Beacon of democracy. Anti-Semitism. Hamas, Hamas, Hamas, Hamas."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/feb/18/british-government-dubai-mossad
     
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    The military wings of Hamas? Is there a non military wing of Hamas. Is it like, Yes we bombed you, but we don't agree with ourselves.
     
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    Warnings, leaflets, warning shots, and even telling them to duck before pulling the trigger is not enough. The only thing that Jews could do to please their enemies is to lay down and be killed.
     
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    :applause:
     
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    You tell us!!! :roflol:
     
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    Do not embarrass yourself by quoting from electronicenchilada, alexa :oldman:
     
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    Yes. Most of what ypu said has no evidence.
     
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    Had to search for ignored content as I saw this off line but as usual it is not worth replying to. The Electronic Intifada is one of the best linked sites there is whereas the people you support are so openly dishonest you are the one who should be embarrassed. I first became aware of just how brazen Israel was when she lied about the call to the MM before she went on a massacre there pretending they were saying antisemetic things - obviously to give credence to people less biased than yourself for the killings and at that time both antisemitism and the holocaust still had some clout as a mask for crimes (I heard the first call which was only online for a short time)....but really the most unbelievable was when they claimed Mohhamed Tamimi had injured his head resulting in half of his skull needing to be removed because he had fallen off his bike and in so doing hit his head on the handlebars. They had the impertinence to say this when there were CT scans and hospital notes on the culprit - an IDF rubber bullet with steel insert.

    Occasionally I use a link I do not know but ones I use more than a couple of times I check up on and the Internet Intifada is one of the best for facts there is - obviously why you would not like it. Ta ta now. :)
     
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    Then I suggest you quote what you believe has no evidence because up till now you have just been mindlessly insulting and unless you can prove what you say then that belongs to you and not to me. As you have claimed most I will be expecting a lot that I did not reference and that you can prove is not true.
     
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    But of course "you assume" :applause:

    As for your "IDF massacred over 60 unarmed protestors", for supposedly indiscriminate killing, IDF sure randomly hit a lot of terrorists :)

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    Because Zionism haas been the curse of the Jewish people, my motive for exposing Zionism's sordid, violent & racist past is to help readers better understand the ruthless & racist machinations of Zionism today especially as it relates to the Zionist ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

    The best interests of the Jewish people were as ill served by the Nazi complicit German Zionist Federation as they are, today, by Israel's murderous & racist leading Zionist extremists who murder & rob Palestine's "subhuman" native Residents.

    The ideology of today's talmudic Zionists who who seek an "Arabrein", expansionist "Greater Israel" based on a mythical, ancient "Right" differs very little from the ugly, mythology based goals of Germany's National Socialists of the 1930s.

    Briefly put the talmudic Zionist version of "Chosen People" & "Greater Israel" is frighteningly reminiscent of Nazism's "Master Race" & their mythologically entitled "Lebensraum".

    The cooperation of the German Zionist Federation (GZF) with Germany's National Socialists was longer in duration & far more extensive than just the Haavara agreement.

    When "Judea" (aka World Jewry) declared War on Germany via a global Jewish boycott of all German products & German shops, the GZF worked had to blunt the destructive impact it would have had on Hitler's National Socialist Germany.

    At the Evian Conference, leaders of the GZF blocked the emigration of Germany's Jews to any of the many countries willing to accept them with Ben Gurion stating:

    "If I knew that it would be possible to save all the children in Germany by bringing them over to England, and only half of them by transferring them to Eretz Israel, then I would opt for the second alternative. For we must weigh not only the life of these children, but also the history of the People of Israel."

    Avraham Stern went so far as to propose a Zionist military alliance with Germany's National socialists dated 11 January 1941 that was a document found in the Ankara Embassy after the war but repressed by Allied censors.

    EXCERPT "In his 1988 book "Blowback," Christopher Simpson says captured SS records documented a covert agreement between the SS and the Haganah, the forerunner of the Israeli Defense Force.
    Under the arrangement the Haganah was permitted to run training camps for Jewish youth inside Germany. These young people, as well as certain other Jews driven out of Germany by the Nazis, were encouraged to emigrate to Palestine."CONTINUED (1)

    The list of Zionist - Nazi cooperative undertakings is as lengthy as it is heavily repressed by today's MSM.

    My point in exposing the history of Zionism's cruel & malevolent complicity with Nazism is to better illustrate who & what sort of barbaric, foreign Zionist Occupiers have been tormenting Palestine's native residents over the last 7 decades.

    As I have repeatedly noted, native Palestinian Jews & native Palestinian Arabs coexisted in relative peace(2) until the Nazi assisted Zionist invasion of Palestine & subsequent Zionist orchestrated current ethnic cleansing.

    It is these same murderous & grasping myopic Zionist Occupiers that have made Israel one of the least popular nations in the world & that lead the planet in the brutality of their foreign funded repression & land theft.




    (1) "Nazis SS Funded Nascent Israeli Army"
    https://www.henrymakow.com/israeli_haganah.html


    (2) “Top Ten Myths about the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict”
    http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict/
    EXCERPT "Myth #1 – Jews and Arabs have always been in conflict in the region.

    Although Arabs were a majority in Palestine prior to the creation of the state of Israel, there had always been a Jewish population, as well. For the most part, Jewish Palestinians got along with their Arab neighbors. This began to change with the onset of the Zionist movement, because the Zionists rejected the right of the Palestinians to self-determination and wanted Palestine for their own, to create a “Jewish State” in a region where Arabs were the majority and owned most of the land.

    The British Hope-Simpson report of 1930 similarly noted that Jewish residents of non-Zionist communities in Palestine enjoyed friendship with their Arab neighbors. “It is quite a common sight to see an Arab sitting in the verandah of a Jewish house”, the report noted. “The position is entirely different in the Zionist colonies."CONTINUED



    (3)“BBC Poll: Israel Among World's Least Popular Nations”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/bb...tions-1.525890

    EXCERPT“The annual BBC World Service poll finds Germany most popular; only countries less popular than Israel are North Korea, Pakistan and Iran.”CONTINUED
     
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    Sure you did, especially since I've posted this not 20 minutes ago :hug:
     
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    Have I been answering your posts in the last week or so. I go on and offline regularly. Why your posts are not worth replying to is because you never contribute anything. Like you have said for you it is just for fun to have a go at people. It is a somewhat mindless waste of time...and yes, this I had to find the ignored content too. On the front page it states you made a post 3 minutes ago but I could not find it. This is a perfect example of your posting. You begin with an insult. That is properly answered. You ignore that and have a go at what you believe is another insult. In this way you drain energy so for my psychic well being it is much better to keep you on ignore. So back to normal.
     

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